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This will mark my first winter for my new used boat. The sails that came with the boat are relatively new (under five years old) which were stored in the PO garage. I have called a number of sail lofts for quotes for inspecting, cleaning and storage. My dilemma is that I have been quoted rates for by “the square footage” and by “the pound” of the sails. I plan on dragging out the bathroom scale out to the boat this weekend to take the weights. I was wondering if anyone out there might have a general idea which pricing might be the most economical? My sails are reported to be 470 square feet of standard medium weight cruising cloth.
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Depends on the price per sq. ft vs. the price per pound and what weight your sails are.
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in addition to cleaning, it might be neccessary to coat the sails with resin. If your sails feel soft, a lot of air goes thru them. Sailcare in Pennsylvania cleaned, repaired some stitching, and recoated my sails two years ago. Although it cost me nearly a grand for two sails totalling almost 700 sq ft, I felt it was money well spent. They came back to me looking like new sails! I don't think low price is the only answer - seems to me you usually get what you pay for! By the way, storage should not be in the price. My sails fit nicely in two bags, each about twice the size of a bushel basket. If you don't have that much closet space, put them in the boat's cabin until spring!
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I'm washing mine out back this spring.

I'll see how that goes first...
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Here is a copy of an email from a local email list I belong to, as to how a local, BC Canada fellow washed his own sails

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If you do the "Google" search of 'cleaning sails' as I had suggested to Marty, there are a lot of sites with recommended cleaning for general and specific stains. I believe that UK & North also have cleaning instructions on their sites. I would not hesitate to try the "Oxy" products that are now on the market if I didn't have the 'Hertel'.


'Hertel' is a Canadian product, apparently. The bottle says:
ACTIVE INGREDIENTS:
N- alkyl (40% C12, 50% C16, 10% C16) Dimethelbenzyl ammonium chloride at 0.28%
readily biodegradable


I know not what that all means but the usual warnings should apply with regard to mixing chemicals. DON'T! Make sure you rinse well before applying different solutions.


I washed both sails on the C30 when the boat and sails were 12 years old. PO had raced the boat during the 10 years that he had it. I've also washed the main and jib on previously owned Cal 25 when it was around 12 yrs old and put new sails on it in its 18th year.


Give it a try! As you say, it saves a lot of $."

This was a reply to someone else when I also asked a similar question.

Here is original reply to me

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Google "cleaning sails" and read a bunch of them. A good one is:
So you wanna clean your sail yourself
but after reading a half dozen or so, you will see that they mostly say pretty much the same thing.


Mild soap and a bit of bleach for mildew works OK


I started with a wetting on the front lawn and some spot cleaning with a spray product called "Hertel" It says right on the plastic bottle that it's good for 'SAILS' so I trusted them. Works good! I would not use 'Fantastic' since I know that it attacks some plastics and it does not list 'sails' as a product to be used on.


After the spot cleaning I tossed the sails in the tub with some dish soap and a bit of bleach. It really filled the tub pretty good but I swished it around as best I could, let it soak overnight and drained and rinsed the next day. Hung on the clothes line and sprayed with the garden hose for final rinse."

Anyway, just another thought on doing yourself if you want. Local place charges a bit under a 1$ per sq foot.

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Where do you buy "Hertel"?

Marty,
I live in the Vancouver area. Where do you buy the "Hertel" cleaner?
Thanks,
Tom
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SailCare prices are 95 cents up to 450 sq ft, after that $1.00 sq ft. So...470 sq ft, you are looking at $470.00.

Mine is there now, let you know in the spring how it turned out.
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The PO of my boat had sailcare do a full service on the sails 3 years ago. the sails are 20 years old and they are still like new.
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Sailcare made my 20 year old sails look like new.
Removed some two stroke gas/oil stains too.
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Marty,
I live in the Vancouver area. Where do you buy the "Hertel" cleaner?
Thanks,
Tom
This is what I got when I wrote them to find out:

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Dear customer,

Thank you for writing to us.

The only places in the west part of Canada where you can find Hertel products are Canadian Tire, Giant Tiger and Rona.

For Canadian Tire and Rona, each store orders independently so it is different for each of them but they all have the products in their systems so you can ask the manager to order some Hertel products if they are not on the shelves.

If you really want to get a product in particular, you can call at our Old Dutch division in Toronto (1-800-661-4975 ext. 225) and ask the person if it is possible to send you a case of this product. I don't know if we can ship to Vancouver and how much it would cost you for the case and the shipping but the person will be able to answer your questions.

We sincerely thank you for your interest towards our products.

Have a nice day.

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