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sat phone over ssb sounds like cell phone over vhf. cell phones are nice but I wouldn't want to be without a vhf.

now if I could just get a good ssb for $100!!!
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I'm sure you can find one on e-Bay or Craigslist... just don't expect too much out of it...

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Sck...I got mine for the ease of installation (2pc.) + the compatibility with Pactor which I used with SailMail. There are other differences as well which did not factor into my decision but perhaps might be important to you.
1. Input for GPS for DSC
2. Front mounted headphone jack...this ended up being important to me!
3. DSP for "better" punch through on talk. (I noticed no difference.)

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thanks cam. I was wondering about the compatibility with weather faxes, etc. since on the website it claims they all can do it (or so it seemed to me). But having the 802 in two units would make it easier to install, esp. on a smaller boat. I hadnt thought about a front mounted headphone jack but that seems pretty obviously better.
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Another Very Good Resource

On this stuff is Tim Hasson. His website is TechYacht: Marine Computer and Communications Solutions.

He's a regular contributor to Blue Water Sailing Magazine, he's the main electronics and communications consultant to the Caribbean 1500 (and ours as well).

He's a very nice guy, and incredibly knowledgeable. I'm sure he'd answer questions just to answer them, because that's the way he is, but keep in mind that he's a consultant, so if you reach out to him, be mindful of his time. If you do decide to insall an SSB, I would urge you to hire Tim for the project. He will ensure that you get exactly what you need and want for what you plan to do with your setup, whether it be satphone, SSB or something else. He'll also configure everything for you, with you there so you understand it, so that once the item is installed it will work and you will know how to use it.

And I'll throw in that satphones have come a long way, the prices way down, and both those components only are going to continue to improve. Satphones can be used to get Internet connections (albeit not very fast), use voice, hookup for email, and to get faxes. The main downside is cost. Not for the phone (though they're not cheap, but still a lot less expensive than an SSB installation), but becuase you have usage charges whenever you want to use it. With the SSB, voice usage is free once you get it installed (though you do have charges for some other things, like certain email packages, weather, etc.).

I have been in this debate before, and my view is that it won't be long before SSB starts to go the way of Loran -- still works, but other technology will surpass it.

All that said, SSB today remains a very useful tool, and it's loads of fun for the reasons others have mentioned. Cruiser nets, weather, working out how to talk to some schmo on the other side of the planet via radio. That's all good stuff. Of course, all that can be done via the Internet too, and that's what I predict will happen once satphone technoligy and costs come in line, but doing it over SSB still is fun.

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From Someone who appears to know.

Got this from someone selling a radio:

Both the M710 & M802 radios provide great results. The advantage of the M802 over the M710 is the ability to scan frequencies as opposed to the need to key in a particular frequency. The second advantage is, when using a Pactor, the Pactor modem will control the frequency of the M810 as opposed to having to manually input the frequency into the M710 when accessing a Pactor station. The M802 also has built-in Digital Selective Calling (DSC) as well as Digital Signal Processing for significantly improved signal/noise performance.
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One thing to consider is the on-going costs, especially if you're on a restricted budget. SSB is basically free, except for the small fee for the sailmail service. Satellite phones are almost as expensive, in terms of initial investment, but also require an on-going monthly cost to use, as well as additional fees based on the amount of usage—either voice or data.

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Got this from someone selling a radio:

Both the M710 & M802 radios provide great results. The advantage of the M802 over the M710 is the ability to scan frequencies as opposed to the need to key in a particular frequency. The second advantage is, when using a Pactor, the Pactor modem will control the frequency of the M810 as opposed to having to manually input the frequency into the M710 when accessing a Pactor station. The M802 also has built-in Digital Selective Calling (DSC) as well as Digital Signal Processing for significantly improved signal/noise performance.
This is a bit misleading.

* The M710 can be frequency-controlled by a Pactor III modem, given the proper connecting cables and proper modem. I set one up for a customer on an 87' vessel last summer.

* Some versions of the M710 have a scan function, with three types of scanning.

* Some versions of the M710 have a removable front panel, just like the M802.

The M710 is a rock-solid very rugged performer, without serious problems that I know of. However, it is NOT a great radio for use on the ham bands since it doesn't have a VFO. It is possible to modify the M710 for easier frequency tuning (using EX-1726 cloning software and an Icom OPC-478 cable); however, this still isn't optimum for ham use.

If all you intend to do is to listen to, or participate in net operations on specific frequencies, do email with Pactor III, and communicate with other vessels and shore stations on marine channels, then the M710 is a fine choice. Great radio. But if you want more flexibility, and if you want HF/DSC operation, then the M802 is the way to go.

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