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killarney_sailor 02-25-2009 04:26 PM

Handling a spinnaker pole that is permanently attached to mast?
 
The spinnaker pole on my boat is attached to a long track (the inboard end of the pole ends up the mast with the outboard end attached near the deck). The pole is aluminum and long (J = 18.5 feet). I plan to use the pole with my assymmetric and possibly downwind with two headsails. Getting the pole down is not too hard (gravity helps), but hoisting it is difficult singlehanded. You obviously need to be at the mast to hoist the butt end of the pole but this means that the other end is loose and prone to bang around. I tried using an uphaul to help control this but it did not help much. Do I need to rig some sort of preventers fore and aft to control the end as I hoist? Any suggestions would be appreciated. BTW, replacing this pole with a carbon fiber one is not an option - lots of other stuff to spend money on first.

JohnRPollard 02-25-2009 04:46 PM

Usually you would have a pole topping lift and a downhaul (foreguy). They should attach to bridles that connect to each end of the pole and which are joined in the middle with a ring or loop where you attach the topping lift and down haul. You wouldn't necessarily need these for an asym, but they do help to contain/stabilize/manage the pole. Ease the downhaul, then lift the butt end of the pole.

Sometimes it is easier to lead these lines aft to a common rope clutch where you can manipulate them simultaneously.

sailingfool 02-25-2009 05:13 PM

I'd make up a short bridle consisting of a line about 20 foot long (actual length to be adjusted from experience) with a figure 8 loop in the center and a pair of shackles at each end. Lower the pole so it is horizontal and on the centerline of the boat. Connect the shackles to the toerail/stanchion bases halfway between the bow and mast. Setting the figure 8 loop into the non-mast pole end, adjust the length of the line so the bridle is taunt, keeping the pole horizontal on the centerline.

To raise or lower the pole, dig out the bridle, attach the shackles, and clip the figure 8 loop into the lower end of the pole. You should find you can fully raise and lower the butt end of the pole while movement of its outer end is constrained by the bridle. If not constrained enough for your liking, try using shock cord for the line.

SV Pearl 04-04-2009 08:13 AM

Killarney,

I left my pole on Pearl in Marblehead when we moved to VA. I can't imagine struggling with it with just my wife and I. I would love to get a carbon whisker pole though. BTW we had our Hood sym spin recut to an asym when we got the boat. Use an ATN sock and ATN tacker collar, very doable with 2 people.

Faster 04-04-2009 09:28 AM

Such a pole setup is clearly intended to be used in a dip-pole gybe manner. As such, the pole lift and downhaul/foreguy are intended to be attached to the outboard end. IMO you really can't get away without both lift and downhaul on such a large pole.

Shorthanded it's unlikely you'll be doing a dip pole gybe except in the lightest of conditions, but even so such a pole is unwieldy without the proper control lines, which ideally should be led aft as well with the downhaul especially able to go to a winch.

Of course one of the major selling points of the Asym is the lack of need for a pole, particularly shorthanded on larger vessels.

killarney_sailor 04-04-2009 10:35 AM

We have an assym and got rid of the symmetric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SV Pearl (Post 470718)
Killarney,

I left my pole on Pearl in Marblehead when we moved to VA. I can't imagine struggling with it with just my wife and I. I would love to get a carbon whisker pole though. BTW we had our Hood sym spin recut to an asym when we got the boat. Use an ATN sock and ATN tacker collar, very doable with 2 people.

I certainly could not imagine handling a 2000 sq ft symmetrical shorthanded. A carbon fiber whisker pole would be nice but not in the budget anytime soon. The sail maker suggested using the existing pole but it would take two people to get it set up. I was wondering how to make it doable with one but I don't think I can since there are too many lines to control at the same time.

We bought a North asymmetric. They have two sizes and we got the smaller one (around 1300 sq ft I think).


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