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View Poll Results: What type anchor do you use most often?
Plow 33 27.97%
Claw 34 28.81%
Delta 28 23.73%
Fluke 34 28.81%
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Really, have a look at the Bulwagga. It's design ensures that no matter what angle it lands at, it digs in (when I first got it, I had to learn the hard way to be ready for it to seemingly set instantly, and if I had too firm a grip on the rode, it'd nearly pull me over the bow ;-)

And when shifting, it resets very quickly.

Bulwagga Marine Anchors, the world's most dependable boat anchor

(note: I have no affilliation with the manufacturers, other than as a very satisfied customer)

FWIW, I also have a Fortress and collapsible claw/grappling hook anchors as backups or occasional stern anchor...
Patrick,

You might want to read this thread and post by a fellow on SBO. He just lost his boat to a Bullwagga. there is NO single perfect anchor. Franklin thought the Bullwagga was pretty much a self setter but learned otherwise.

I feel terrible for Franklin as he is a great contributor to SBO but false sense of security is what gets you in trouble. Franklin's insurace company now wants to total his vessel...

Never trust any anchor too much and always use proper scope and setting techniques even with a Bullwegga!

I currently use a Rocna and still back down at 80% reverse throttle..

Frankiln's Bullwagga Dragging Story (LINK) See post #22 in that thread

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That's right, Franklin did lose his boat while it was using a Bulwagga.

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Old generation versus new generation!

I believe the poll should have been:

"Old gen" anchors: Plow - claw – fluke anchors versus « next gen » anchors:
- BSH anchors: Rocna- Supreme and scoop anchor = RAYA

It would have been easier to reach a consensus!

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If you consider that three of the anchors Manson makes are definitely copies, it seems likely that their fourth one would be too. Ray=Bruce, Plough=CQR, Sand=Danforth ===> Supreme=Rocna.
Hmm. I wonder where you first heard that observation?
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Oh man, just when I thought I had it figured out, you guys go making me think again.

Here is where I am at...

Boat - 32 ft Islander, ~10K pounds. Cruising the PNW, hoping to go south to Mexico, Central America, etc.

Currently have 2 fluke type anchors, not sure of the brand. Why? Because they came with the boat, seem to work well in our current area and our current fair weather sailing is relatively safe. However, a new anchoring setup is on my "Do Soon" list, so I have been researching this too. Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth....

1. No moving parts. They might be good, but so are other anchors and handling a heavy floppy anchor sounds like no fun on my rather limited foredeck. Also, having a wife and kids who are handling the anchor makes me want to make it as finger safe as possible. If there was a large enough difference with these types, I might consider them, but for me I am not seeing enough benefit.

2. I looked at the Rocna and Manson and was convinced of their higher holding power and easier set. However, the fact that the roll bar seems to always bring up a lot of junk was a big negative to me as we do not have a windlass and would rather not on our smallish boat.

3. Delta (currently top of the list) Seems these have worked well (but not perfect) all over the world for a long time. Sure some people drag, some people do not get it set right, etc. But with a high volume of anchors out there you are bound to find a number of people who do not know anything about anchoring, then complain when the anchor does not work when dropped over the side at 2x1 scope in a storm. I have heard enough world cruisers talk about delta's who never had a problem to feel confident that if used correctly, they will hold my boat securely. Sure I might might want a second anchor deployed before they guy with a Rocna in the same anchorage, but for the few times I will have to go through the hassle I feel it would be worth it.

Just my thoughts so far, of course I have not purchased anything yet

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Sorry for the bad link above

Sorry for the bad link here is a better one..

Frankiln's Bullwagga Dragging Story (LINK) See post #22 in that thread

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I believe the poll should have been:

"Old gen" anchors: Plow - claw – fluke anchors versus « next gen » anchors:
- BSH anchors: Rocna- Supreme and scoop anchor = RAYA

It would have been easier to reach a consensus!
Had this 2006 test but was not sure what the test variables were; sea beds, rode types, scope ratio, direct pull or offset....etc.
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Used Bruce my entire nautical life (hummmm say 20+ years ?). I'm really amazed by my actual 44lb Rocna & all chain !!

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Sorry for the bad link here is a better one..

Frankiln's Bullwagga Dragging Story (LINK) See post #22 in that thread


I just like the mention of Fortress in the story within story:
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Patrick,

You might want to read this thread and post by a fellow on SBO. He just lost his boat to a Bullwagga.
Ummm.... I think that's a stretch.

Yes, his anchor was a Bulwagga, but in the same circumstances with the same practices applied, the results could very likely have been the same with any anchor.

Your comment essentially asserts that "if he had used some other anchor other than a Bulwagga, he wouldn't have lost his boat" which I find to be a rather unsupportable conclusion. Even the boat owner doesn't make such a claim, and seems to suggest that the problems were due to the holding conditions and usage, and not to any fault or shortcoming of the anchor.

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there is NO single perfect anchor. Franklin thought the Bullwagga was pretty much a self setter but learned otherwise.

I feel terrible for Franklin as he is a great contributor to SBO but false sense of security is what gets you in trouble. Franklin's insurace company now wants to total his vessel...

Never trust any anchor too much and always use proper scope and setting techniques even with a Bullwegga!

I currently use a Rocna and still back down at 80% reverse throttle..
I've never stated that a Bulwagga was any kind of "magic" anchor that wouldn't still require proper anchoring techniques. I myself always back down on my anchor (whatever I'm using) and don't rely on a single anchor or set of mooring lines if it gets snotty.

Overconfidence in anything is the surest way to lose a boat.

Sheesh... a MacGregor owner who uses a Bulwagga... I can't get *no* respect... ;-)

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