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T37Chef 03-25-2009 10:06 PM

Rope Clutch or Jam/Cam cleat for traveler?
 
I would like to hear your suggestions/comments on what to choose and why for my new traveler instalation...clutch or cam/jam cleat?

Boat: Tartan 37C
Traveler: Garhauer MT-UB2

Note: the traveler will not have the cam cleats as shown in the picture, but a dodger "conversion kit". Inward of the lower sheave will be a 90 degree turn down using a turning block to a lift/deck block to a ______?

Safety and ease of operation are most important, performance a plus. Cost is also a consideration. The ability to add-on clutches is also a must.

Thoughts? Why one over the other and what brand/type do you recommend.

Thanks



http://garhauermarine.com/images/product/MT-UB-2.jpg

artbyjody 03-25-2009 10:43 PM

I use these
 
http://www.spinlock.co.uk/scripts/th..._web.jpg&h=199

What I like about them - is they rotate. So whether you are single - handling or have confusion at the cockpit - they just work. These are what I use and highly recommend for your setup as I use them on mine. I used to have the non 360 degree but found they were not versatile enough for the conditions / people I sail with...

sailingdog 03-25-2009 10:43 PM

I like cam cleats, since they're bit more secure IMHO. :) Although, I'd second the Spinlocks, if you have the space and budget for them. :)

KeelHaulin 03-26-2009 12:39 AM

I also like the cam cleats for this application. I have my traveler sheets on a continuous loop so that as the high side gets shorter the line gets re-used on the low side. I have routed the lines so that the cam cleats are next to one another on the port side and either can be wrapped on a small cabin top winch if needed. With the continuous loop and cam cleats I can hike or ease the traveler from the helm; which allows me to trim from a broad reach to close hauled without grinding the mainsheet if needed.

negrini 03-26-2009 09:12 AM

Depends on where your traveler is mounted on. Mine goes right ahead of the dodger. The lines run through a stopper on each side, so I don't leave the cockpit for any adjustments. Also, it enters under dodger, so no holes were needed.

zz4gta 03-26-2009 09:38 AM

Where is the traveler mounted? Do you have a pic of the old one?

I don't like rope clutches on a traveler. Its like putting one on the main sheet, its more a hassle than what its worth. The little spinlock guys are cool. If the cam cleats on my trav. go, then I'll replace them with the little spinlocks. Already need to intall the one I bought for my spin.

Faster 03-26-2009 09:52 AM

Anything that's secure and that you can release in a controlled manner with one hand... a rope clutch doesn't qualify. The rotating spinlocks are nice units , release easily under load and work at a wide range of angles.

121Guy 03-26-2009 09:53 AM

Traveller Controls
 
Use the cam cleats. They are the right tool for a line that is constantly adjusted....like a traveller. Like most boats with lines led aft, the clutches may be more valuable when used for halyards and other control lines not adjusted as often. You only have room for so many clutches with a fair lead to winches. Think of the traveller control as "freeing up" two of those for more important jobs.

121Guy

T37Chef 03-26-2009 10:07 AM

Thanks folks, cam cleats is what I thought one should use, but had seen a few boats using clutches and I wanted to be sure ;)


I am going to check out the spinlock, they're ugly as hell, but since when do looks matter :)

Jeff_H 03-26-2009 10:26 AM

One question that no one asked, if you plan to take the lines to a winch then the locks are a much better way to go. Also cam cleats are much harder on the line. I have had very mediocre luck with the Spinlock jambers shown in high load, small diameter line situations.

Jeff


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