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jarcher 04-02-2009 01:05 AM

Anyone have a toilet recomendation?
 
I was leaning toward a new Lavac popular with a manual pump for my Scampi 30, but at $388 plus another $150 for the pump, that's pretty pricy. We're going to do mostly day sails, evening club races and maybe a very occasional overnight.

Also, I'm not sure there is room to mount a separate pump in the small enclosed area.

Could someone recommend a less expensive option that would still work reliably?

Thanks very much...

Valiente 04-02-2009 01:38 AM

I have a Lavac Popular and yes, the bulkhead mounted pump might be a little problematic in some installations. But the dependability of the unit, its ease of use and "the ride" have been great.

With the exception of the W-C and perhaps the Raritan models, I have rarely seen a head I thought was anything but cheap and prone to failure.

jason3317 04-02-2009 07:23 AM

Check out Raritan, possibly their PH-II, PHC-II. These are very good manual heads with compact dimensions.

sailingdog 04-02-2009 07:38 AM

If you already have an existing head, you can often retrofit the PHC or PHII base to the bowl, according to Peggie Hall. This would save you a considerable amount in both cost (since you're not buying a whole toilet) and in shipping (since the bowl is the largest and heaviest part). She says that the PHC or PHII base will work with most bowls that have four bolts.

jarcher 04-02-2009 01:19 PM

Thanks everyone!

blt2ski 04-02-2009 01:51 PM

The PHII's have been around for years, you can still get parts for older models. Hence why when my old head went south, I paid the slight extra for a PHII. You will get what you pay for when it comes to a "head!" I also went with the house sized bowl too. another $50 or so!

Marty

Valiente 04-02-2009 03:23 PM

I think we can all agree that research will reveal that quality pays off and that a "bargain head" is an oxymoron.

I always find it curious that some lovely new boats have crappy crappers in them. I can sew a torn sail, but dissembling a badly built head can ruin my whole day. I mean, where are you supposed to puke?

nmccubbin 04-03-2009 05:47 PM

Forget the price.
Reliabilty is well worth the extra
We have Had Lavacs on 2 boats, total 14 years sailing about 4 months full time each year. They are the least trouble.
That said, go over the side as much as possible.

jarcher 04-03-2009 09:12 PM

Yeah I have decided to spend the extra bucks to get a good one, after doing some reading in past threads and also based on your responses.

From reading the manuals online, it seems like the simplicity of the Lavac is hard to beat. The other seems less simple, but then again some manuals make things sound more complicated then they are. The side mounted pump of the other is very appealing, but the simplicity fo the Lavac trumps it. If I can find a good place to mount the pump for the Lavac I'll go that route.

Must it be mounted above the toilet? I'll have a very simple plumbing job. Water comes in, water goes to the tank. In RI we have to get an inspection that proves its impossible to discharge over the side (and they make us display a sticker) and I am not planning long trips anyhow. So Ill probably remove the through hull for discharge and glass it up. Some day. But for now, two hoses should do it...

sailor25b 04-03-2009 09:27 PM

After years of complaints from the Admiral and daughter, I bought a Raritan Elegance electric head. No review yet; I'm still awaiting delivery. The Elegance is a new line at Raritan, but I trust the company to put out a good product. I'll let you know soon enough!

After a nice discussion with a helpful fellow at Raritan Engineering, he persuaded me to buy this one instead of the PHEII that I originally thought I would buy to replace my old Jabsco manual head. He said although Raritan's been making the PH heads for years, it is noisy when operating with an electric pump. The Elegance has a remote raw water pump that can be installed elsewhere to minimize noise. He also said he would not buy an electric head that was merely a manual design with an electric motor bolted on, like the PHEII.


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