Lift Keel Appears to be Missing - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Gear & Maintenance
 Not a Member? 
  #1  
Old 04-07-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
chrisrydz is on a distinguished road
Lift Keel Appears to be Missing

I am new to the sailing community and at the end of last year I purchased a 24' sailboat that I was told has a "swinging keel." The boat was dry docked and I recently went to check on it before it gets put back in the water. My first impression was that it was a fixed keel. However, I noticed that the bottem of the keel has a slit where it appears another keel would drop down. What kind of keel is this? Also, it appears that this piece is missing. Is this dangerous to sail? Do I need to replace this? Can I easily find a piece that would work? If it doesnt need to be replaced should I seal it up? I apologize for what are probably obvious questions, but like I said- I am new to sailing and trying to learn. Any help would be appreciated.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 04-07-2009
deniseO30's Avatar
Lies about her age
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bristol pa
Posts: 5,458
Thanks: 50
Thanked 53 Times in 45 Posts
Rep Power: 9
deniseO30 will become famous soon enough deniseO30 will become famous soon enough
swing keel, or centerboard, the seller lied. shame shame. it will sail without it but the boat was designed with it. what make model boat?
__________________
Denise, Bristol PA, Oday 30. On Tidal Delaware River, Anchor Yacht Club. New Website!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

my current "project"!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 04-07-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
chrisrydz is on a distinguished road
1968 CAL 24. Is it accurate to say that the weight of the keel is what keeps the boat upright, but without the missing piece I will loose some control not safety?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 04-07-2009
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
If the boat was truly a swing keel, then the boat would probably be fairly dangerous to sail without the swing keel in place, since the swing keel provides a good portion of the stability and ballast for the boat.

If the boat is a centerboard boat with a stub keel, and the centerboard is not weighted and mainly to allow the boat to point better, then you could sail it without the centerboard, but you would have far more leeway than you would if it were installed and lowered. This can be a safety concern, since the ability for the boat to point and sail well to windward may be important if you're trying to sail off a lee shore, or trying to make progress to windward while short-tacking.

If you have a bill of sale and it says that the keel is present, I would go talk to the seller....since they've now committed fraud—since the boat doesn't have a keel, and the boat was sold with the understanding that the keel was present. The lack of a swing keel/centerboard would certainly impact the price of the boat.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 04-07-2009
AllThumbs's Avatar
midlife crisis member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 955
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 6
AllThumbs is on a distinguished road
Are you sure the keel is missing? There should be a steel cable coming into the cockpit to raise and lower it. This cable usually goes to a winch of some kind. It's pretty hard to see the keel when it's in the up position.

Usually this keel would be made from steel plate. You may be able to have a new one made if it's missing, but it may or may not be worth it, depending on the condition of the boat.
__________________
The people who find fault in what you build typically don't build anything at all.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 04-07-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 5,317
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 14
bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about
And what was the name of your surveyor? Listen to Thumbs there is a good chance it is still there!
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Never Forgotten

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 04-07-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
chrisrydz is on a distinguished road
It may be there. When I released the cable it didnt drop. Any suggestions to try and release it...if it is indeed there.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 04-07-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 5,317
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 14
bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about
Not knowing where the was last in water, It could be nothing more that marine growth (barnacles) holding up in the keel. Put a block of wood up under the keel to keep the board from dropping on you and use a piece of flat steel as scraper so you can get up in keel and dig out the growth. If the center trunk has a cap on top you can remove that and force down from the side. either way if it is growth causing the problem you got to get it clean.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Never Forgotten

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by bubb2; 04-07-2009 at 08:42 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 04-07-2009
AllThumbs's Avatar
midlife crisis member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 955
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 6
AllThumbs is on a distinguished road
if it's not there, the cable will pull right up and out. I am sure it's there but stuck. That is pretty common. Also, it won't come down unless it on the water. If it's on the trailer you won't be able to lower it at all.
__________________
The people who find fault in what you build typically don't build anything at all.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 04-07-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 5,317
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 14
bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllThumbs View Post
If it's on the trailer you won't be able to lower it at all.
I was not thinking of that Thumbs If it in a yard on stands, you can use a 3rd pair of stands and 4x4. lay the 4x4 across the stands and jack the boat up a little from the stern. I am talking only a foot, that should be enough know if the centerboard is moving.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Never Forgotten

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Southerly 101 PracticalSailor Buying a Boat Articles 8 06-14-2011 07:40 AM
Cape Fear 38 -- Lost Keel Fatality Investigation JohnRPollard Sailboat Design and Construction 296 02-09-2011 09:51 AM
Best type of keel halsmithjr Seamanship & Navigation 10 07-01-2006 12:18 PM
Keel Bolt Repairs Don Casey Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 11-10-2003 07:00 PM
Short Keel vs Normal SEAJM General Discussion (sailing related) 1 03-12-2003 02:13 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:01 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012