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Foss foam has lots of people who have had issues with them...and lots who were happy with their work. However, I do believe they do warn against painting their rudders in dark colors, due to issues with the resin and foam and the higher temperatures that the dark colors heat up to.
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sd, we had problems with incorrect manufacturing (grossly wrong dimensions), terrible shipping delays (every deadline missed ultiple times) folks simply not answering the phone or returning calls...and the final product just not being balanced right.

Paint colors and sunlight never got to the top of the list. But speaking of which, how come all the boats in the boatyards have rudders painted "bottom paint blue" and they sit exposed to sunlight all winter, and somehow, after 20 years most of them are still good as new? Foss only uses Vampire Foam?

Personally, "does not answer the phone and does not return calls" tells me there is something terribly wrong at a business. That's a total stopper for me.
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I'm not saying that Foss Foam isn't a problematic vendor, but there are some people who have been happy with their work. Most rudders aren't made using the materials Foss Foam uses. And exposing an epoxy/foam rudder to sunlight all winter long generally doesn't cause the problem, because the sunlight isn't as intense and the ambient temperature is much lower....

A friend of mine has a custom epoxy/foam trimaran. There are footprints visible in the deck from when a friend of ours walked across the deck, when it was painted dark blue. The boat is white now... Apparently, the heat from the sun and the dark blue color were enough that the top layer of the fiberglass and Airex foam were able to distort under his weight.

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sd, we had problems with incorrect manufacturing (grossly wrong dimensions), terrible shipping delays (every deadline missed ultiple times) folks simply not answering the phone or returning calls...and the final product just not being balanced right.

Paint colors and sunlight never got to the top of the list. But speaking of which, how come all the boats in the boatyards have rudders painted "bottom paint blue" and they sit exposed to sunlight all winter, and somehow, after 20 years most of them are still good as new? Foss only uses Vampire Foam?

Personally, "does not answer the phone and does not return calls" tells me there is something terribly wrong at a business. That's a total stopper for me.
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I'm not saying that Foss Foam isn't a problematic vendor, but there are some people who have been happy with their work
In the course of my costly experience, discussed at great length on two separate widely read sailing forums, not a single Foss customer voiced satisfaction with the Company, while dozens voiced the opposit; as did two separate respected marine surveyors, independent of one another. At best a few people indicated they hadn't had trouble "yet". Neither did I for four years. Then I did. And, save for the week or 10 days the yacht is out of the water for bottom paint every few winters, the rudder was always immersed.

Unless one has personally delt with the Company, and its products, one's opinion is rather unquallified, no?

I merely offer my experience for what it's worth as it was a costly lesson.

Pras might want to look into other builders, such as Phils Foils. Or not.
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