Furler Questions - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Gear & Maintenance
 Not a Member? 
  #11  
Old 05-07-2009
Leither's Avatar
Retired and happy
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calvert County, MD
Posts: 228
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Leither is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by HPLou View Post
rayncyn51. Your furler sounds very similar to a Reefer I or II that was manufactured by Cruising Design, Inc. which has been out of business for quite awhile. A traveler slides in one groove of the aluminum foil and the sail slides in the second groove. If you have pictures to post, I may be able to confirm. I happen to have an assembly guide that came with my "new" 1987 Watkins.
CDI certainly ain't out of business. They are alive and well, operating out of Homer, NY and still advertising widely.

Stuart
__________________
Leith (rhymes with teeth) is the port of the City of Edinburgh in Scotland. A Leither is someone who comes from that area.

I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky - I left my shoes and socks there, I wonder if they're dry?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 05-07-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 174
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 13
HPLou is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to HPLou
Leither, sorry for the misinformation, what I meant was the Reefer I & II was made when CDI was in Peabody, Massachusetts and is not manufactured as it has been replaced by the Flexible Furler which came out in the late 1980s.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 05-07-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 198
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
rayncyn51 is on a distinguished road
HPLou, You nailed it... CDI's web site has a parts section for older designs. Mine does appear to be a Reefer I system. Would you be able to scan/fax your assembly guide? I would happily reimburse any cost you may incur doing so. - r

BTW, my son lives in Keansburg. Are you anywhere near there?
__________________
Are we there yet?
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 05-07-2009
Leither's Avatar
Retired and happy
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calvert County, MD
Posts: 228
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Leither is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by HPLou View Post
Leither, sorry for the misinformation, what I meant was the Reefer I & II was made when CDI was in Peabody, Massachusetts and is not manufactured as it has been replaced by the Flexible Furler which came out in the late 1980s.
Thanks for the clarification. You also seem to have identified the mystery furler correctly, so well done!

Stuart
__________________
Leith (rhymes with teeth) is the port of the City of Edinburgh in Scotland. A Leither is someone who comes from that area.

I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky - I left my shoes and socks there, I wonder if they're dry?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 05-08-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 174
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 13
HPLou is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to HPLou
rayncyn51, no problem in faxing a copy of the assembly guide, you can e-mail your fax number to hplou@aol.com and I can get it to you over the weekend and thanks Leither.

Lou

BTW, not too far from Keansburg, live in Highland Park.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 06-17-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
jbad is on a distinguished road
Jib Furler

I have a Beneteau 473, that was recently purchased used.

It has the Pro-Furl system on the jib, I assume.

I replaced all the lines, except the jib halyard. I also replaced the sails from a reputable sailmaker, Quantas. Under sail I noticed that the furling system stuck both when unfurling and furling. I was able to sort it out with brute strength, which created problem #1.

While under sail the halyard suddenly broke, roughly 6" above the connecting point to the top drum.

We dropped the sail and gave it a good inspection while back at port. The drums, both top and bottom seem to turn freely when there is no load on them. They are a sealed system, so no need to lubricate them.

I had the jib halyard replaced and everything seemed operating while at the dock. When we unfurled the sail when at sea, it jammed again. We ended up unwinding it by hand, rather than force it again. When we returned to port, we also had to hand wind the sail.

I looked at the halyard and sail and it appears OK, so I can't understand why it is jamming.

Has anyone experienced this before? It is a real pain and I do not want to risk breaking the halyard again.

Biggest issue is that I cannot reef the jib, other than by hand, which would be a huge challenge if we got caught in a blow.

All comments are welcome.

Regards

Jbad
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 06-18-2009
Leither's Avatar
Retired and happy
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calvert County, MD
Posts: 228
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Leither is on a distinguished road
Putting together the jamming and the broken halyard, it sounds like the halyard is getting wound up at the top ie the top swivel is jamming, even though it seems to be turning OK when not under load. Have you had a look up at the top of the furler while the sail is being furled? You should be able to see the halyard winding around the foil, if this is the problem.

The other thing to look at is the angle that the halyard makes with the mast when the jib is up. If this is too shallow (eg caused by the jib not being fully up), then this encourages the winding round problem.

Stuart
__________________
Leith (rhymes with teeth) is the port of the City of Edinburgh in Scotland. A Leither is someone who comes from that area.

I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky - I left my shoes and socks there, I wonder if they're dry?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 08-19-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 198
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
rayncyn51 is on a distinguished road
Smile Follow Up

We finally got the boat out under sail and gave the ol' furler a try. Everything worked great, tho it's a bit tighter than I'd like when furling in. This is the first time that I've used a fulring system of any kind, so I've nothing to compare to. At face value, the unit seems to work as well as it's age would allow. (Like me!) Hopefully it will serve through next season!

Thanks again to all for your assistance! - Ray'n'Cyn
__________________
Are we there yet?
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 08-20-2009
Leither's Avatar
Retired and happy
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calvert County, MD
Posts: 228
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Leither is on a distinguished road
Excellent - it does sound as though the old furler still has some life left in it!

As to how much of a pull is required to achieve a complete furl, that will depend on circumstances, as well as the furler itself. Taking the load off the gear by coming into the wind before furling seems like a good idea, but often (usually?) results in a very messy end result. On the other hand, furling while the genoa is full of wind and straining at its sheets can result in a lot of hard work........

Stuart
__________________
Leith (rhymes with teeth) is the port of the City of Edinburgh in Scotland. A Leither is someone who comes from that area.

I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky - I left my shoes and socks there, I wonder if they're dry?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 08-20-2009
jbondy's Avatar
Senior Mumble
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 320
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 14
jbondy is on a distinguished road
Heading into the wind is usually necessary to furl. It relieves the pressure on the control line.

BTW Continuous-line furlers are often not recommended for reefing the head sail. I have a ProFurl continuous-line furler. The control line goes around a drum that is shaped like a V to pinch the line so as to provide the necessary friction for the drum to turn as you pull on the line. Reefing puts the onus of holding the reef on the line/drum interface. The tension of holding the reef in could cause the line to give way (which would be dangerous in heavy air) or to pinch to the point that it won't release when you need to furl (or unfurl).

That said, we do it all the time.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Old Roller Furler (a.k.a. "To Furl, or Not To Furl...") supergrade Gear & Maintenance 34 12-24-2008 11:36 AM
Roller Furling Lay Up Tom Wood Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 10-21-2003 08:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:32 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.