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Seacock Leaking

We just put our Grampian 34 in this morning after a winter on the hard (Georgian Bay, Ontario). When we checked the seacocks, the port midship one near the bulkhead was leaking.

Noticed a crack around the base of the block on the forward side where water appeared to be seeping in. Also seems to be water near a bolt on the aft side. (In the photos I'll attach, the white tube is running towards the port side). We're not sure why this is as it was fine last year. one of the cradle pads was resting close to this seacock and we're trying to decide if that may have caused something.

We tried tightening the clamp. We touched the screws, but when they started to slip inside their holes we abandoned that pretty quick! We put some waterweld on the forward side (see photos) which a. doesn't weld to if there's water (haha) and b. isn't stopping the flow.

So, here are a few questions:
1. any idea why - all of a sudden - this might be happening?
2. do we have to haul her out and replace that seacock?
3. if we have to take her out, it likely won't happen until Tuesday. Is that soon enough? (the yard is plenty busy today and we're heading into a holiday weekend)
4. what can we do in the meantime to stem the water or create a temporary seal? (duct tape? waterweld? prayer?)

Photos attached. (You can see the water in the one titled seacockfrabove.jpg)
Thanks for the help.
Fi and Kev

ps: The boat is new to us - we just picked it up last September - so we're still figuring out what's what and discovering new and "exciting" things every time we're on her.
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Seacock Leaking-seacockfrabove.jpg   Seacock Leaking-crack_fwd.jpg   Seacock Leaking-waterweld_stbrd.jpg   Seacock Leaking-aft_wetscrew_crack.jpg  
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I am willing to bet that the block of wood that was used as a backing block is rotting and the rotting wood has allowed the thru-hull to break its seal against the hull and that is the source of the weeping.

Yes, you'll have to haul the boat to replace the seacock and through-hull.

Yes, you'll probably be able to wait until Tuesday.

Not a whole lot that you can do to stem the water flowing in that won't cause a huge problem later, when you're trying to replace the through-hull and seacock.
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If it was me, I'd pull her and fix ASAP. If water is really coming from the crack, that could be a significant issue as it may mean that the hull is compromised.

The screws are less of an issue to fix.

Whether you need to today immediately or wait a few days, I think that you can wait a few days, but I would monitor and see how much water is coming in. If it is just a trickle, like a few gallons over 8 h, then a fully charged battery and a good bilge pump will be fine. I'd go down to the boat each day and drain the bilge into a secondary bucket. If you're getting a lot of water in, then you need to have it pulled ASAP.

I am surprised that the yard didn't catch this. When a yard typically splashes a boat, they put in and then wait a few minutes and then check all the thru-hulls and seacocks. My yard waited almost 20 minutes before they considered the boat ready to move away from the dock. They splashed me, moved me to the end of the dock and did a quick check to make sure water wasn't gushing in, moved me to the end of the lift dock, got the next boat on the truck and into the slings, came back and rechecked my boat, and then moved me away. After I was at my slip, they returned to the next boat and repeated the process.

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Well, bugger it.

sailingdog and DrB, thanks very much for the info. We were afraid it was a haul/replace issue but we're a bit green and not sure what's "normal"*. Luckily we're on board all week, so we'll keep a close eye.

And now we know. So thanks again.

(And no, DrB, not that type of yard. It's a "you check" yard. We checked, it seemed ok.)

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**In my partner's defense, maybe *I* am not sure what's normal. the old wooden troller my dad had always had water in the bilge (and sometimes in other places), a constant diesel smell and various mechanical issues. that was par for the course. Maybe my viewpoint is a bit skewed.
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A good fiberglass boat will have a dry bilge. It doesn't need to weep like a wooden boat does.
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Another possible mechanism for cause of the leak: some water got in the joint or old backing plate last summer/fall and froze during the winter, opening a lead enough to be noticeable this spring.
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I don't think that would help, since it may not be coming through the thru-hull, but around the outside of it.
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can you not put a tapered plug into the thru hull from outside, or use a plunger like has been suggested here in the past?
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I had an almost identical problem, except with the electrical grounding plate. I noticed it weeping last year, tried a quick fix (which for some reason is never quick, and never seems to fix anything) and decided to fix it this winter.

It turns out that the blocks were pine or fir or something, and were pretty wet and soft. I replaced and bedded the new plate and used teak backing blocks, end of problem.

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I don't like to use wood backing plates for below waterline

seacocks because of this very reason: Wood will eventually rot if kept wet and unprotected. A rotting base plate in a critical application can lead to a leak.

I would use a 3/8 to 1/2" thick fiberglass/epoxy plate instead. They are easy to make even with a curved contour and will be impervious to water, expand an contract similarly as the hull and strong enough to be through drilled and bolted.

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So here's the update:

After half a day, all water stopped. Our theory (ah, theory) is that the wood backing dried out when it was on the hard, and when we put her back in, the wood swelled up with water and plugged whatever problem there was temporarily. When we picked the boat up last summer, it was already in the water, so if this had been an ongoing thing, we wouldn't have seen it. But as DrB suggests, we're feeling a little leery of the wood/water/seacock combo and planning the fix without wood (considering brass).

Our 20+ year old Raymarine ST3000 autohelm died the same day. At least it wasn't a boring day....
Thanks for the additional info everyone.
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