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c40eb 06-03-2009 06:29 PM

(Sarcasm warning) I LOVE MARINE PRICES!
 
The other day, I removed the thermostat on my Westerbeke 20B Two to test it and make sure the spare that was bought by (I assume) the PO was correct.

Well, the spare was completely different. The only thing I can say about it is that it's a genuine Westerbeke part.

So...not wanting to be left with no spare, I went online to order a new one.

(Sticker shock!) $60!!! and another $6.50 for the gasket. Give me a break!

In a state of shock, I stopped by my local Napa Auto Parts to see if they might have something that would work. Lo and behold, we found the exact same thermostat...and the grand total? $20. Oh...and I got some of the gasket material with the sticky back to make my own...that nearly broke me at $0.59.

To order would have set me back about $70 w/shipping.
Local Napa: $20.85 or so...

Now...does that seem right to you?

By the way, I am going to sell the other, wrong thermostat on eBay...figure I can come out ahead!

eolon 06-03-2009 07:13 PM

Your Westerbeke is a diesel engine, so make sure you got a thermostat for a diesel engine. As I'm sure you know, heat produced by diesel engines is measured in dBTUs (diesel BTUs) and should not be mixed with gBTUs (gasoline BTUs). The inferior thermostat you bought from the auto parts store will destroy your engine because:

1. It uses gBTUs, not dBTUs.

and

2. The box does not have a picture of a boat on it.

As to #2, above, The FCC does not allow a vendor to place a picture of a boat on any product unless it has gone through a rigorous testing qualification procedure and met the minimum MESPBP (Marine Engineering Standards for Picture of Boat on Product) standards.

I urge all boaters to only buy products with a picture of a boat on it, and pay no attention to those shoddy, non-boat products available everywhere at less than half cost.

Remember, sure it's expensive, but there's a picture of a boat!

Best Regards,

e

.::.

nk235 06-03-2009 07:49 PM

To back up the bashing or Marine prices...I use those Damp Rid hanging bags that give off a nice smell and have the little bag on the bottom that collects the water from the damp air. I started off getting them from West Marine and paid around $15 for one in an individual box. The other day I was in the grocery store and saw a box of 3 of them (same size) for $10....

tager 06-03-2009 07:59 PM

I guess people who have boats are suckers.

c40eb 06-03-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eolon (Post 492126)
Your Westerbeke is a diesel engine, so make sure you got a thermostat for a diesel engine. As I'm sure you know, heat produced by diesel engines is measured in dBTUs (diesel BTUs) and should not be mixed with gBTUs (gasoline BTUs). The inferior thermostat you bought from the auto parts store will destroy your engine because:

1. It uses gBTUs, not dBTUs.

and

2. The box does not have a picture of a boat on it.

As to #2, above, The FCC does not allow a vendor to place a picture of a boat on any product unless it has gone through a rigorous testing qualification procedure and met the minimum MESPBP (Marine Engineering Standards for Picture of Boat on Product) standards.

I urge all boaters to only buy products with a picture of a boat on it, and pay no attention to those shoddy, non-boat products available everywhere at less than half cost.

Remember, sure it's expensive, but there's a picture of a boat!

Best Regards,

e

.::.

HA! Yeah...if I squint my eyes, and turn down the lights, I can kind of see a sort of abstract boat shape on the bag the thermostat came in...

arf145 06-03-2009 09:44 PM

Hi, my name is Tom, and I sometimes buy non-marine parts and get around the MESPBP by drawing a picture of a boat on the package. I am ashamed. :rolleyes:

rob8888 06-03-2009 09:46 PM

Does the NAPA thermostat that happened to fit open at the same temperature as the OEM thermostat? Most marine thermostats for small diesels open at 160F, but automotive thermostats usually open at 180F - 210F, which is hotter than the factory usually specifies for a marine engine. Many marine thermostats are made from stainless steel because they're designed to be used in both fresh-water and raw-water cooled engines, while automotive thermostats don't need to be stainless because they're always used in an antifreeze coolant mix. When Westerbeke orders stainless steel thermostats with a lower temperature than standard automotive parts they can't order a couple of million like an automobile manufacturer can; they probably only need a couple of hundred, and therefore the manufacturer charges them a lot more to make them.

c40eb 06-03-2009 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob8888 (Post 492172)
Does the NAPA thermostat that happened to fit open at the same temperature as the OEM thermostat? Most marine thermostats for small diesels open at 160F, but automotive thermostats usually open at 180F - 210F, which is hotter than the factory usually specifies for a marine engine. Many marine thermostats are made from stainless steel because they're designed to be used in both fresh-water and raw-water cooled engines, while automotive thermostats don't need to be stainless because they're always used in an antifreeze coolant mix. When Westerbeke orders stainless steel thermostats with a lower temperature than standard automotive parts they can't order a couple of million like an automobile manufacturer can; they probably only need a couple of hundred, and therefore the manufacturer charges them a lot more to make them.

Yup...both are rated at 160F. A metallurgist might be able to tell the difference in the two...maybe. But to the eye, touch, feel, smell (ok, maybe not), they are identical. My primary concern was fit (size) and temp rating. Dead match...can't beat that.

SFC270 06-04-2009 01:56 AM

Totally. There are a million examples - 'marine' heat shrink electrical tubing at $2 per 6" length versus the same thing at Home Depot for $3 for three feet.

But my favorite is when West Marine sells things for more than the manufacturer sells the exact same thing on their own site. Or even better, when West Marine relabels the product under their own name and sells it for MORE. Here is a perfect example of the EXACT SAME lifejacket...

West Marine Type I Lifejacket = $109.99
Stearns "Merchant Mate II" Lifejacket = $91.99 (sold by West Marine)

It is the same lifejack, same pictures, same everything, all on West Marine's website.

bloodhunter 06-04-2009 07:53 AM

Not to mention sinks
 
When we got Enchantress the sink in the galley (along with the head) was one of the two MUST REPLACE from my wife. A new marine stainless sink of about the same size was $500 and the double sink was even more. When to Home Depot and got a white acrylic sink for $60 ( on sale) While I was at it I got a really good faucet set ( also on sale). Had to sand the opening to get the sink to fit but nothing major. When it starts looking grungy I'll just throw it out and get a new one same with the faucets.


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