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I hate to be pedantic, but I believe you mean jib pendant, not jib pennant and also not to be confused with a fraculator.
Actually, pennant and pendant are often used to refer to a short line in marine usage... see here

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To be technically accurate, a fraculator is never found on an offset frequency spanhard - they can only fraculate when abeam a secondary, or abridging a running foreyard grunnion.

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I can think of one other use for a 'jib pennant', which is at the top of a short jib on a roller reefing setup to get the top swivel to the top of the fore stay and avoid halyard wrap. Learned that the hard way.

Edit: CSears is correct, its a pendant. A pennant is a flag.
Correct. Damn it, I just blindly repeated the error.

I actually said to my wife "how long was that pendant we used to use on Valiente?" and then typed "pennant".

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Actually, pennant and pendant are often used to refer to a short line in marine usage... see here
I think that's an error, SD, or at best a inadvertent tautology. The ghost of my high-school Latin teacher is whispering in my ear that "pennant" relates to flags going to the [I]head [/I ] (pen) of the mast, whereas the "pendant" is below the tack of the sail (think "dependent", "suspended"...the idea of one thing dangling below another, more important thing).

I have even heard "pedant" pronounced in the place of "pendant", because the line or strop goes at the foot (ped) of the sail!

So much of our sailing terms reflect archaisms and the clash of languages that I find the semantic and linguistic elements fascinating. Another quick example is the way to distinguish a sailboater from a powerboater: the boxed disks used to reeve halyards and running lines are pronounced sheeves on power boats and shivs on sailboats, but are written "sheaves" on both.

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Spelling and pronunciation

Spelling and pronunciation was a bit random back when these words were being worked out. The two roots are from the Latin penna "feather" and the Latin pendere "to hang". So the pennant becomes a tapered flag (like a feather shape), and a pendant becomes a piece of line that hangs off of something. But pendant is alternatively pronounced in English and later spelled as pennant.

See this:Online Etymology Dictionary - pendant and Online Etymology Dictionary - pennant

So it looks like both are correct.

We all know how seaman talk... Argghhh.

That's as close as I can come online without my OED in front of me.

I'd guess we get the word pen for a writing implement from penna also.
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That's because the writing instrument back in Roman days was a penna...a goose feather quill!

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