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thanks guys........... anchor line is a heckava lot of chain and nylon rode. I rechecked after this episode! fred
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Well, sigma, that's why we have tort laws and juries to decide just what is and isn't reasonable. Don't confuse my statement that there IS a ground for liability, with agreeing that there should or shouldn't be one.

I'm just saying that the Snubber folks owe the OP a debt of gratitude, for reminding them that their product could easily and inexpensively be made safer--for the snubber company! not just the user.

To sell something that folks have never used, have no instructions for how to use it, and then not expect disaster, is simply naive.

Besides, hammers aren't a good analogy. You are aware that since 2008, it has been illegal to sell roofing nails and hammers or any type in the united States unless the purchaser shows proof of having taken a "Impact Tool Safety Training Course" and completing it with a passing grade? You can't just buy a hammer in the hardware store anymore, you have to be of age and licensed.
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Well, sigma, that's why we have tort laws and juries to decide just what is and isn't reasonable. Don't confuse my statement that there IS a ground for liability, with agreeing that there should or shouldn't be one.

I'm just saying that the Snubber folks owe the OP a debt of gratitude, for reminding them that their product could easily and inexpensively be made safer--for the snubber company! not just the user.

To sell something that folks have never used, have no instructions for how to use it, and then not expect disaster, is simply naive.

Besides, hammers aren't a good analogy. You are aware that since 2008, it has been illegal to sell roofing nails and hammers or any type in the united States unless the purchaser shows proof of having taken a "Impact Tool Safety Training Course" and completing it with a passing grade? You can't just buy a hammer in the hardware store anymore, you have to be of age and licensed.
Haha, good one. If you have to be licensed to use hammers shouldn't you also be licensed to combine lines and snubber?

Seriously: I am glad to be Dutch (and blunt) and not have to be afraid of being sued for issues we would simply laugh about.

On Topic: If you look around the average marina it is amazing how many people think they can use their used sheets some more as mooring lines. Even when using the 'wrong' type of line it is amazing how it just seemed to have snapped.
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Ah, but they do warn you to wear glasses. One failure is more obvious than the other.

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Sure, why not let hammer manufacturers put a warning on their products stating not to insert fingers between the nail and the hammer.

What happened to good old common sence? Dont alsways blame (this seems to be a culture) someone else.
As a mountaineer and engineer of 30 years, I find line choices both interesting and obvious, but I think a description of line choice does fit with this product. Very much so.

(when asked how he reached the starting holds on a difficult rock climbing problem that clearly favored taller climbers - he was perhaps 5'5")

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