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Dear Mr. k1vsk,

So, which paint that west marine sells as anti-fouling is only good for 1 week?

If I was to name the model number, then you would say what? "Oh, of course, everyone knows that model xxx is only good for a week!".

I will try to get this info for you, but, personally, if it was zebra mussle paint for fresh water applications, sold on the shelves at a chessapeake bay west marine, it should still last longer than a week or two.

And, he told me the shop attendant helped him pick it out.

geeesh.
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In answer to your first question, none!

There is no commercially available bottom paint which lasts one week - if there was, it wouldn't be commercially viable...

Therefore, the answer has to be elsewhere.
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Dear Mr. k1vsk,

So, which paint that west marine sells as anti-fouling is only good for 1 week?

If I was to name the model number, then you would say what? "Oh, of course, everyone knows that model xxx is only good for a week!".

I will try to get this info for you, but, personally, if it was zebra mussle paint for fresh water applications, sold on the shelves at a chessapeake bay west marine, it should still last longer than a week or two.

And, he told me the shop attendant helped him pick it out.

geeesh.
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You don't get it, do you? Your failure to identify the product in question is like saying, " I bought a new car but it quit running after a week. What happened to it?" Unless you tell us what model car it was, nobody can make any comments specific to the problem. Same holds true in this case; there are many different paints sold at West Marine, they have different anti fouling properties and work in different ways. How can anybody speak directly to your friend's issue without first knowing what product it is he used?

Unless you actually believe that West Marine sells a paint that only works for a week.
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Oh, i get it plenty..
1. Yes, I belive that west marine has sold a paint that only worked for a week.
2. I don't care which model of paint it was. If it only worked one week, west marine should be ashamed of themselves. I don't care if he misapplied the paint (which I'm sure he didn't-he is a very capable and intelligent man). I don't care if it is zebra mussel paint. If it was misapplied zebra mussel paint, it should still have preventedd barnacles from starting to grow for longer than a week.
3. Some people on this board LOVE to beat others about the head and show how smart they are to others.

Did I miss anything?
I will make every attempt to find you the exact part number.
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Oh, i get it plenty..
1. Yes, I belive that west marine has sold a paint that only worked for a week.
2. I don't care which model of paint it was. If it only worked one week, west marine should be ashamed of themselves. I don't care if he misapplied the paint (which I'm sure he didn't-he is a very capable and intelligent man). I don't care if it is zebra mussel paint. If it was misapplied zebra mussel paint, it should still have preventedd barnacles from starting to grow for longer than a week.
3. Some people on this board LOVE to beat others about the head and show how smart they are to others.

Did I miss anything?
I will make every attempt to find you the exact part number.
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Hi Ground hog,

I am a newbie to this forum but i don't think i use my talents and experince to beat you around the head. You may think thatbut i do not.

I think the point of this, and why i have now wasted my time trying to help, is to solve your problem.

In order to achieve this it would be great to know what you (or however?) brought and how it was applied and used.

People want to help you. please lets us!

From my perspective nobody is wanting to annoy you but help you.

From my perspective if your A/foul lasted a week and you say they sell it and promote it as a one week a/foul. then thats is bizzare.

Please clarify where you are coming from. or even better write to the company's and seek a reply. then show everbody both letters.

I believe nobody (especially reputable companies) intentionaly go out to annoy thier customers at the expense of good buisness and profit... let alone reputation. Especially in this TEXT, Blog, Forum dominated world where people can tell milions of people of thier issues in seconds!

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Oh, i get it plenty..
1. Yes, I belive that west marine has sold a paint that only worked for a week.
I don't deny that it only worked for a week (which in all likelyhood means it really never worked at all). But what you are implying is that the paint was designed to work that way. I'm saying that no anti fouling paint in the world is formulated to work for only a week. That's just crazy talk.

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2. I don't care which model of paint it was.
Yes, you've made that very clear. However, you started this thread in which you asked the community to help identify your friend's problem. And in turn, the community simply asked you to identify the paint he used.
Despite the responses you've received in the thread, it seems obvious that you are unwilling to accept the very likely possibility that your friend either did not prepare the paint and/or hull properly or used a product that was ill-suited for the conditions the boat lives in.

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3. Some people on this board LOVE to beat others about the head and show how smart they are to others.
I, for one, am not trying to prove that I am smarter than you. But I earn my living working with anti fouling paints and have done for 15 years. I think I have some small amount of expert knowledge on the subject. So excuse me if my response to your ill-informed rant about what is, or is not, true about the way anti fouling paints work made you feel as if you were being attacked. It was not my intention. Just trying to get the facts from you, that's all.

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I will make every attempt to find you the exact part number.
We don't need a part number, for God's sake. Just the name of the product will do. Don't know why that's such a big deal.
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I don't deny that it only worked for a week (which in all likelyhood means it really never worked at all). But what you are implying is that the paint was designed to work that way. I'm saying that no anti fouling paint in the world is formulated to work for only a week. That's just crazy talk.


Yes, you've made that very clear. However, you started this thread in which you asked the community to help identify your friend's problem. And in turn, the community simply asked you to identify the paint he used.
Despite the responses you've received in the thread, it seems obvious that you are unwilling to accept the very likely possibility that your friend either did not prepare the paint and/or hull properly or used a product that was ill-suited for the conditions the boat lives in.


I, for one, am not trying to prove that I am smarter than you. But I earn my living working with anti fouling paints and have done for 15 years. I think I have some small amount of expert knowledge on the subject. So excuse me if my response to your ill-informed rant about what is, or is not, true about the way anti fouling paints work made you feel as if you were being attacked. It was not my intention. Just trying to get the facts from you, that's all.


We don't need a part number, for God's sake. Just the name of the product will do. Don't know why that's such a big deal.
+1.... well said. fast and clean and you got to the bottom of the matter.

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As stated, all of us are just trying to help but without knowing more than the name on the storefront, it's pretty difficult. And again, regardless of the store name, no one makes a paint which is totally ineffective - there has to be more to this.
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Oh, I did miss something...
Your car analogy needs some sprucing up.

It's not totally like the guy bought a car and drove it off the lot and it broke down. It's not like he could just call the dealer and say come tow my car back and change the spark plug or whatever and let me go on my happy way.

It's more like he drove it off the lot, went to a gas station and, as he was filling up the car, it totally melted in front of him and ran down the nearest drain. Leaving him only the gas nozzle and keys in his hand. Not a fender or bumper is left to be sold. He has nothing left of value for his purchase.

Maybe he should have read the manual and inserted hi-test instead of regular. But for a company to sell a car that if you put in the wrong oil or gas, you loose everything, instantly, is not just interesting reading, it's jaw dropping.

Now he has to pay to haul the boat again, more bottom paint, etc.

Now for the reason I posted originally...
It was not specifically for you to help me or him, although I appreciate any sincere help anytime. At this point, he can't really recover from this.
It was simply an FYI for others.

There are bottom paints, that west marine sells. At least one. Or maybe it was just a bad manufacturing batch of this one model. But just be careful. That's it.

And ok, if you don't want the exact model number of the paint, i will take you up on it, cause I for one, am worn out from this thread.

But, hope others have enjoyed the fighting I guess.
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And ok, if you don't want the exact model number of the paint, i will take you up on it, cause I for one, am worn out from this thread.
I guess the bottom line is; you are still NOT going to supply the product name. Apparently this thread was nothing more than your chance to make allegations about West Marine's business practices with absolutely nothing to back it up. Except your alleged "friend" and his mysteriously failing anti fouling paint.

Oh, brother.
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Now for the reason I posted originally...
It was not specifically for you to help me or him, although I appreciate any sincere help anytime. At this point, he can't really recover from this.
It was simply an FYI for others.


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There was no "FYI"nformation imparted. if you wanted to make an allegation against a company, some modicum of information in support might be included...
This whole discussion serves only to annoy.

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