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Agree w/stillraining

cheap wrenches are one thing, rigging is another. There is a huge variety in the quality of Asian mfg. goods. Some of it is excellent, some far from it.
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Just try to put a cheater on one of stainless steel Chinese wenches the come in the West Marine 29.99 boat tool kit.
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Just try to put a cheater on one of stainless steel Chinese wenches the come in the West Marine 29.99 boat tool kit.
I know what you mean Bubb..I have bought a couple pair of their canvas snap installation pliers...I can deform them with one hand trying to install the snaps.. ...They are lured into the Chinese tool market as well...but I believe and (Hope ) there screws/bolts are the real McCoys.
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I know what you mean Bubb..I have bought a couple pair of their canvas snap installation pliers...I can deform them with one hand trying to install the snaps.. ...They are lured into the Chinese tool market as well...but I believe and (Hope ) there screws/bolts are the real McCoys.
In my experience the WM fasteners that are sold in bulk are of decent quality but are typically WAY overpriced when compared to the fastener warehouse near me that does retail as well. The hardware WM sell packaged however is low grade crap. It is labelled as 316 yet the screw heads strip everytime and I have broken a bunch off too. I have deduced over the years that there is never, EVER a reason to shop at West Marine for anything.... ever.


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In my experience the WM fasteners that are sold in bulk are of decent quality but are typically WAY overpriced when compared to the fastener warehouse near me that does retail as well. The hardware WM sell packaged however is low grade crap. It is labelled as 316 yet the screw heads strip everytime and I have broken a bunch off too. I have deduced over the years that there is never, EVER a reason to shop at West Marine for anything.... ever.


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I'm in total agreement and i do most of my shopping on line form Defender...but sometimes you need it yesterday and hey lets face it they are handy if a block or two from the boat.
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There is a cheap alternative to everything. Spliced eyes are strong, free, and seaworthy. The only reasoning I can see for using swages is that they look cool, are faster to set up, and offer some negligible performance advantage. It's easy to forget that they are prone to failure. Using 1x19 wire largely precludes the use of spliced eyes, but 7x7 wire serves the same purpose, with only slightly more stretch.
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hand splicing 7x19 galvanized, parceled and served on a previous sailboat, a trad design. One of the most rewarding jobs I've ever done.

Current rigging job, modern design boat, swage on top, Norseman fitting below.

wouldn't hesitate to do splicing again, just needs to be on a boat where it looks right.

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There is nothing wrong with splicing wire to make standing rigging, but seriously, how many people are really capable of doing it. How many people even splice their own line for running rigging.

I would venture to guess that there is considerably less than one percent of boat owners who could master wire splicing quickly enough to make it a good idea for them to make their own rigging.
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Actually, the illustrations are fairly easy. That's whats commonly called a molly hogan splice.
The one in the photo, not so easy.
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