Framing system

[captbillc]

check out my framing system on the winter cover thread, where i describe my set up.

[paulk]

Duct tape to attach our 1x4 fore & aft furring strips to our conduit arches, and forget about klamps, or clamps. At the end of the winter, we cut them apart, slide the pieces into my 4-door hatchback sedan, and stow them for th next cold season. K.I.S.S.

[tager]

Yea... seems like any competent sailor could figure out a way to keep things together without shelling out for some "klamps" this reminds me of the " Fender Tender" it is a product that exists only because some people have more money than sense.

I mean I guess if you are independently wealthy, and don't work for the money anyway, fender tenders and klamps are great. Too bad I don't believe that any person should be allowed to be independently wealthy. It's not natural for somebody to not have to do his share of the worlds work, just because he has some imaginary power over others.

[sailingdog]

I don't cover my boat. Based on conversations with people at several boatyards, that deal with boats much larger and far more expensive than mine, there really is no need to cover a boat for winter storage in much of the country, unless you have leaks to contend with.

If you worry about snow loading... and can't get down to your boat to check on it after each storm...then covering the boat might be a good idea...

[TractorJohn]

I dont hear of anyone using tarp garages, Costco use to sell a 20' long system for about $150. the legs can be made longer using pvc or abs sleeves and if snow loading is an issue they can be reinforced as needed with 1x4's or 2x4 slats.
Some of the systems I've read about must cost a fortune.
Just call me cheap.

[merc2dogs]

Originally Posted by christyleigh

I've been using Framemaker Clamps at Framemaker Clamps for a few years and I like their stuff.

their 'examples' pictures have me wondering if someone didn't read the instructions wrong though.
They show the framework standing on the deck, but the only tarp I see is wrapped around the hull.....



Ken.

[davidpm]

Originally Posted by sailingdog

I don't cover my boat. Based on conversations with people at several boatyards, that deal with boats much larger and far more expensive than mine, there really is no need to cover a boat for winter storage in much of the country, unless you have leaks to contend with.

I'm surprised. I like it; as covering costs so much money and is such a hassle but I'm still surprised. So you don't find that the gel coat damage during the exposure in the winter months is worth the expense of covering?

I know your boat is up north and has no exterior wood. Would your recommendations change if:

1. In our CT area the boat will have a layer of black grime from exhaust coating the boat (wonder what our lungs look like) after just a month in the summer.
2. What if a boat has some bright-work even the minimal amount an older Catalina 30 has will be torn up by a winters worth of UV.
3. Leaves, debre and bird droppings are common.

A large percentage of boats, power boats almost 100% shinkwrap their boats. Do you think they are wasting their money?

[davidpm]

Originally Posted by merc2dogs

their 'examples' pictures have me wondering if someone didn't read the instructions wrong though.
They show the framework standing on the deck, but the only tarp I see is wrapped around the hull.....



Ken.

In the video he mentions that some people set the framework on the deck inboard of the lifelines while others Klamp them outside the lifelines.

It does seem as though it would be easy enough to use tape especially the filament stuff that is super strong instead of the Klamp but some of us like neat gadgets. I've never used them but they look neet to me. The fender clips I was never interested in though, go figure.

[sailingdog]

Most of the gelcoat damage is due to UV, and there really isn't much serious UV exposure in New England, at sea level, in the wintertime. Pollution is a bit of an issue, but not that much, especially, since the prevailing winds are towards the local highway, not from it.

I cover the woodwork with a sunbrella cover, so it is fairly well protected. Leaves and debris are less of an issue, since I usually don't haul the boat until the leaves have all fallen. Birds are not a serious issue at my marine, especially in the winter.

Powerboats need the covering for a lot of reasons that don't apply to sailboats. They often have far more "exposed" living area, like their cockpits with the upholstered benches and such. Their cockpits are also more vulnerable to weather, as they have more equipment and such to protect.

Originally Posted by davidpm

I'm surprised. I like it; as covering costs so much money and is such a hassle but I'm still surprised. So you don't find that the gel coat damage during the exposure in the winter months is worth the expense of covering?

I know your boat is up north and has no exterior wood. Would your recommendations change if:

1. In our CT area the boat will have a layer of black grime from exhaust coating the boat (wonder what our lungs look like) after just a month in the summer.
2. What if a boat has some bright-work even the minimal amount an older Catalina 30 has will be torn up by a winters worth of UV.
3. Leaves, debre and bird droppings are common.

A large percentage of boats, power boats almost 100% shinkwrap their boats. Do you think they are wasting their money?

[davidpm]

Originally Posted by sailingdog

Most of the gelcoat damage is due to UV, and there really isn't much serious UV exposure in New England, at sea level, in the wintertime.

thanks, makes sense