Acrylic or Polycarbonate for windows - Page 3 - SailNet Community
 1Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #21 of 27 Old 12-06-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Use of Lexan

I just wanted to post a quick note about the use of Lexan. We replaced the large-area ports (windows?) on our Fantasia 35 back in the mid 80s, using half-inch Lexan. The material came from the bulletproof windows in a bank, but since it was surplus or reclaimed, I don't know any more details on the exact type. We used those windows, full-time liveaboard, for maybe another 5 years, and never saw a single stress crack or any crazing.

The boat has been up on the hard since '91, in the direct Florida sunshine, and I visited it last year. The windows are still solid, and I didn't see any evidence of cracking or crazing, and that's with 20+ years of weathered exposure. The Lexan has some patchy tan discoloration from the many stainless through-bolts rusting lightly, but I don't expect that would be hard to clean up.

Perhaps we were just lucky on the cracking thing, or perhaps it's the really heavy thickness we used. Lexan definitely does scratch easily, and that was the biggest downside to our use. After a few years they were good for letting light in, but not for seeing through very clearly. I'll probably try polishing them when I get back to working on the boat.

For what it's worth..
Incarnate is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 27 Old 12-06-2009
Senior Member
 
poopdeckpappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 6,471
Thanks: 39
Thanked 43 Times in 37 Posts
Rep Power: 12
     
Quote:
Lexan definitely does scratch easily, and that was the biggest downside to our use.
That why I mentioned the MR-10, it's superior to std lexan in both scartch & UV protection, I'm using it on our forward hatch and it's been there 2 yrs now

1955 Blanchard 51 Custom ( I got a woody )

1974 Ranger 33


Friends don't let friends do stupid things alone
poopdeckpappy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #23 of 27 Old 12-06-2009
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 18,083
Thanks: 125
Thanked 441 Times in 418 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Incarnate View Post
.....The boat has been up on the hard since '91, in the direct Florida sunshine, .....
Say that's a typo..... otherwise your boat's been on the hard for close to 20 years??? yoiks!

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #24 of 27 Old 12-06-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faster View Post
Say that's a typo..... otherwise your boat's been on the hard for close to 20 years??? yoiks!
Sad, but true . We lived on her from '81 to '91, but since then she's been about 1200 miles away from me. I hope to either move down there and fix her up, or find someplace to store/work on her up here, but for the moment she's still sitting.
Incarnate is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #25 of 27 Old 11-27-2014
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: Acrylic or Polycarbonate for windows

Which expands more in hot climates, acrylic or polycarboante??
jacaranda01 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #26 of 27 Old 11-27-2014
Senior Member
 
mitiempo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
Posts: 7,734
Thanks: 0
Thanked 105 Times in 96 Posts
Rep Power: 9
   
Re: Acrylic or Polycarbonate for windows

Acrylic does expand more that polycarbonate with temperature increases but doesn't scratch as easily nor craze as quickly. A good acrylic port installation is good for decades while polycarbonate needs to be replaced often to maintain optical clarity. That is the reason that almost all major hatch manufacturers use acrylic - the exception is Bomar on some models.

Brian
Living aboard in Victoria Harbour
mitiempo is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #27 of 27 Old 11-29-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Maine
Posts: 838
Thanks: 0
Thanked 32 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: Acrylic or Polycarbonate for windows

Acrylic expansion is approximately 9% greater than polycarbonate. And whatever figure you find on line, double it if you're looking at gray, bronze or another dark color. It's HARDER than poly so it's more scratch/abrasion resistant. Poly is softer so it will take a blow with a hammer or a flogging shackle but will scratch more readily. Both are/can be UV protected and will probably outlast your ownership of the boat.

Installation:

This is the same joint I've used dozens of times at work. In the industry it's called a "four-sided flush glazed joint". I design this type of thing for a living, really. Similar to what others have said, shape the glazing, smooth the edges, make it look real nice. Be sure it overlaps the opening by about 1" on all sides. Apply structural glazing tape (3/16" minimum) to the opening so when the glazing is applied, the tape will be 1/4" from its edge. Be careful and make it round the corners, leaving the outside release tape on. Make it pretty. Now, fold down/up the corners of the tape so you can reach them and carfuly place the glazing. The little bit of exposed tape will grab quite well. Once you're satisfied with the arrangement, grab that tape and pull back at 45 degrees. It will unzip. Press HARD on the glazing, then use a soft cloth to protect the surface and beat around the tape with a rubber mallet. At this point, the tape should be 1/4" away from the edge of the glazing with no bubbles showing. Now mask around the edge of the portlight, on the boat and on the glazing. With a razor knife, trim a real nice perimeter 1/4" away from the edge of the glazing (on the boat). Also, trim the masking tape to the very edge of the glazing. Apply a bead of 795 around the edge, forcing it into the space created by the glazing tape. Use plenty. This is the most important part. TOOL the joint. Use a plastic spoon and a spray of water to make the joint look like a gasket. DO NOT SKIP THE TOOLING STEP. regardless of how good you think it looks. An untooled joint is a leaker. An unwarrantied leaker. Immediately remove the masking tape being careful not to get all that unused silicone all over everything. Your light should look like it's installed with a rubber gasket.

This is the same method they now install high-rise windows with. Please note there are no screws involved. They are not needed, add places for water to get in and stress to crack the glazing due to expansion cycles.

Have a great graphic to add but the site won't let me right now.
DonScribner is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Source for Polycarbonate jerryr Gear & Maintenance 3 08-25-2001 02:47 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome