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post #11 of 34 Old 03-15-2009
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I have been using hand pump for oil changes for a while. My engine takes 1.25 gallons of oil too, so I know what it's like.

Well, I can tell you that there is nothing better than a *right* hand pump (and nothing worse than a wrong one). To that end, the plastic hand pump sold at West Marine and few other choice retailers can only be qualified as total crap. In fact, until I bought a decent brass pump I was of the same opinion as you.

With a right pump, and properly warmed up engine I can pump out 1.25 gallons of oil in less than 5 minutes, and don't spill a drop either (use plastic gallons bottles like those from antifreeze with narrow neck and a long tube).


As far as "oil change kits" go - I had the vacuum pump thing (from West Marine too). I sold it on Ebay last year And don't start me on electric oil changers. Once I visited friend's boat, when he was using one of those. He accidentally switched wires and the darn thing started pumping dirty oil back out spraying it all around. He ruined his cabin cushions and my brand new boat shoes
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Changing the oil is a pain in the kiester for sure. I have a Westerbeke that has a little flexible tube for draining which helps a little. A guy at the boatyard made an excellent suggestion this fall when I was draining the oil for winter. I used an aluminum foil roasting pan from the grocery store which cost about 1.50. It has good capacity, holds shape, and can be bent/fitted to the space under the engine. Spillage was reduced to basically zero.

Also I was able to comfortably leave the thing draining ( metal pan bent to stay in place) for weeks after the first 98% was out. This let me leave it open to get each drop out that was gonna come out - hey why not. I then added about 1/2 the oil she takes to coat inside and will add the rest before I fire it up after the hibernation.

The filter is still a PITA and always drips. Thoughts? My car has a cast filter holder. Pop the top off, change the element, put the top on. Presto ! 30 seconds, zero spill after 50 + oil changes. Wish the boat had that too.
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The filter is definitely a PIA. I take an oil diaper and tear it in half. Half gets wedged on the motor under the filter and half goes into a plastic bag. The bag is strategically positioned to just drop the filter into after I spin it off the motor. It isn't perfect; sometime it works great, sometimes I still have to clean up some spilled oil.

I can't understand why Yanmar mounts oil filters and water pumps the way they do.

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You need one of these! Ten to twelve pumps to prime it and it then sucks the entire contents of my pan while I sit back and watch. They used to be made by Tempo which is now Moeller.
Moeller Oil Extractor (LINK)



These SUCK or don't suck depending on how you look at it. They are 100% total junk when compared to the Moeller unit above.


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Oil Change - FILTER

I take a 1 gallon milk jug, and cut it to resemble a scoop, and insert it under the oil filter while removing it. The oil and the filter drop neatly into the jug, and I can drain it into my receptacle with minimal mess. FWIW.

BTW - I also use the Moeller Marine 4.0 Liter Fluid Extractor - vacuum pump drainer from Boaters World. Works great, and neatly.
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I like the milk jug idea. I'll try that next time I change the oil.

MaineSail - that vacuum pump is similar to the PELA unit I use. Either option is the only way to go! I tried one that attached to a drill...I'm not sure, but that may have been just an elaborate practical joke played by the manufacturer.

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respectfully disagree with the poster who claims single viscosity oils are better, been working marine and automotive diesels for 35 years and to my mind the best multigrade lube oil out there is (1) Shell Rotella 15 40, and (2) Ultramar 15 40. I have found the detergent package is much better than others and as far as changing oil filters, cheap insurance to replace at EVERY oil change. I do not recommend Exxon or Esso HDX lubes, have noticed high alumnium deposits in engines I've torn down. Hope this helps, Dumah
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I got an X-Change-R ( X-Change-R Oil Change Systems Reversible Impeller Gear Oil Pumps Marine Service Maintenance ) with which I am quite happy (two oil changes and a transmission oil change). The greatest benefit is that when I have to jug fuel I use it as a fuel pump and don't have to lift the full fuel jugs from the dinghy to the deck. Sweet!

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I use Shell Rotella, not through any great dedication, but because it's a name product, is rated for diesel and because it's readily available at the local Auto Store. For autos or boat, I don't switch brands once I lock on to something that works.

I agree with Maine Sail - The brass Jabsco pumps are junk for oil changes. I tried one once, got more oil on the floor than in the jug and never really got it all out of the engine. We have a Westerbeke with the flexible hose. It works, is neat, but really slow draining. I usually do something else during the hour that it takes to drain (change fule filters, zincs, etc), but am always worried about kicking the drain pan while moving around the engine. I think that I'll try one of the vacuum systems.

I like the milk jug idea. I usually spread oil absorbant pads beneath the filter area and then just move fast.

regarding oil absorbant pads - for some reason, no auto stores carry them. Pep Boys had something similar, but didn't absorb oil very well. Nothing like the 3M pads. One parts store guy told me that they carried them for a short time but that people couldn't understand why anyone would want one of the pads. Made me shake my head.

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You need one of these! Ten to twelve pumps to prime it and it then sucks the entire contents of my pan while I sit back and watch. They used to be made by Tempo which is now Moeller.
Moeller Oil Extractor (LINK)


These things rock

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