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I'd point out that the best jacklines are probably 1/4" or 5/16" spectra core-line with tubular webbing over it... the webbing acts as chafe and UV protection and also serves to make the jacklines easily identifiable under any conditions. THe webbing also makes it less likely to roll underfoot.
* Plain webbing would roll even less. If I had a monohull I would opt for webbing and annual replacement.
* The carabiner will slide better on rope. Webbing or webbing with a core is not used in industry or by climber in this application. webbing over spectra core is common for lifting slings, so the idea has president.
* The price is excessive.
* It is impossible to inspect the line, as the rope is not visible. This will lead to premature replacement.

Very high tech with some benefits, but still a compromise, I think. I have probably done more time than anyone on the board climbing (a guess, but it is a lot spread over 25 years, including small cliffs, big mountains, rock climbing, and ice climbing) and I don't think it is a system I would take up a mountain or use in an industrial facility.
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This is what I use. Available from Sailrite $.60/ft. Nylon is more uv resistant than polypropylene although it is a little more expensive.

Webbing Nylon Extra Heavy Royal Blue 1" 5300#
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Go to cmcrescue.com. You can buy 1" flat webbing for $.44 per foot. It is rated to 6,000 lbs and is used by climbers and rescue organizations. While there, check out their clearance on 75" laynards for $5.00 each. A quick release shackle on one end and a locking carbiner on the other makes a great teather line to hook to your harness. CMC only sells quality rated gear.
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Aluminumcarabiners are difficult to keep working in a marine environment.

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Go to cmcrescue.com. You can buy 1" flat webbing for $.44 per foot. It is rated to 6,000 lbs and is used by climbers and rescue organizations. While there, check out their clearance on 75" laynards for $5.00 each. A quick release shackle on one end and a locking carbiner on the other makes a great teather line to hook to your harness. CMC only sells quality rated gear.
Not impossible, but it will take frequent lubrication. I do use the locking biners some, but I have to oil them frequently to keep them right. Fresh water rinse does not seem to be needed.

Aluminum wire gate carabiners hold up very well. Great value, easy on the gelcoat (light), and versatile. Same strength rating as the SS carabiners, in general.
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Just bought a Platismo 10m pair for £23.00 from a retailer do you want the web page?
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While there, check out their clearance on 75" laynards for $5.00 each.
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Are you able to give me a URL for that clearance product??

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I think this is what he was pointing to...

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CMC Rescue Inc. A good deal.

Then he would add these. CMC Rescue Inc. Personally, I like wire gate non-locking biners on the harness end.

This stuff is in the "outlet" section.

The net is amazing, no?
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Personally, I like wire gate non-locking biners on the harness end.

you should not use a biner on the harness end you should use a snap shackle with a lanyard to release the gate. that way when your hung up or being dragged you can release yourself with out having to pull you weight off the lanyard
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The webbing works perfect in horrific conditions and makes me feel confidante to do stuff i would not be able to do without it

The only PITA is when racing we tack a lot and it changing sides is and ordeal
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And I have seen many snap shackles released by accident.

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you should not use a biner on the harness end you should use a snap shackle with a lanyard to release the gate. that way when your hung up or being dragged you can release yourself with out having to pull you weight off the lanyard
I have seen the "double-squeeze" biners jam up with dirt or ice too many times. Too many parts.

No thanks. I have taken many hundreds, probably thousands of falls on carabiners and they are what I trust. If I want extra safety, I can use 2 biners or an ordinary locker (no auto-lockers - they don't deal with ice, dirt, or salt well).

If I am being dragged, releasing myself is generally a death sentence, isn't it? If there is another person helping me, presumably they would have given me another rope and the existing tether will be released with a knife. There are many on board and 2 under the helm seat.

There are numerous tricks for releasing a biner under load, not easy, but I guess I have done it a lot. There are also habits for clipping biners to prevent them from self-unclipping (never clip to a hard point; clip from underneath, with the gate facing out - this also makes it easier to unclip under load). Safety biners are a lot more idiot proof, so I do understand.

But I understand yours is the majority opinion. I'm OK with that.
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