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terminal replacement for the shrouds

My standing rigging is getting a little long in the tooth. The forestay and backstay look fine, but the terminals for the upper and lower shourds look like they're accumulating a little surface rust.

So here's my question: is it possible or advisable to replace just the terminals for the shrouds, or do you have to replace the entire wire rope? I have 1x19 SS wire rope, and it looks to be in very good condition.

I've been up the mast and inspected that end of things, and it looks fine.
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Umm... if you're going to be replacing anything...replace it all..
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My standing rigging is getting a little long in the tooth. The forestay and backstay look fine, but the terminals for the upper and lower shourds look like they're accumulating a little surface rust.

So here's my question: is it possible or advisable to replace just the terminals for the shrouds, or do you have to replace the entire wire rope? I have 1x19 SS wire rope, and it looks to be in very good condition.

I've been up the mast and inspected that end of things, and it looks fine.

Sailhog, This probably isn't what you want to hear but it's pretty generally accepted among riggers, surveyors and wire and terminal manufacturers that if your terminals need replacing, your wire should be replaced also.
There are certainly exceptions. For instance they make extra long mechanical fittings that are specifically designed to be able to replace a compromised swage fitting without losing any overall length. But I believe that should only be done in case of emergency repairs or in the case of a damaged swage terminal on fairly new wire.

Surface corrosion is not uncommon on fairly new rigging. And it's usually nothing to worry about.
I believe that the age of the rigging and the location of the boat are the two biggest factors to consider when trying to determine the condition of the rig.
I do rigging inspections very regularly. For brokers, prospective buyers and people who are trying to buy insurance.
Before I even go aboard, I ask the age of the rig. If it's more than ten years old and it's been in the sub tropics, I'll tell the customer that I will recommend a rerig no matter what the inspection reveals. But that's just to cover my butt. Because if I don't find any visible defects and he gets his insurance so that he can do the Mexico race and something that I couldn't see in the course of a hour long inspection fails and he loses his rig and I hadn't mentioned in my report that the rigging was of a certain age, I could theoretically be liable. Because in fact occasionally catastrophic failures do occur with rigging that on the surface looks okay.
The real truth of the matter is rigging in general is very forgiving and will usually give you plenty of notice before it fails completely.

But all this is just a long winded way of suggesting that you consider the age of your rigging rather than just the surface corrosion.

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Knotty,
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think, but do not now, that my rigging is approximately 15 years old. The boat is a Catalina 30 tall rig. What would a rigger such as yourself charge to replace the upper and lower shrouds? Thanks again.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think, but do not now, that my rigging is approximately 15 years old. The boat is a Catalina 30 tall rig. What would a rigger such as yourself charge to replace the upper and lower shrouds? Thanks again.

I get in trouble with the boss every time I do one of these off the top of my head estimates but, probably four to six hundred. Depending on whether you mean a mobile job or if you just take the coiled up shrouds into the shop for duplication.
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This past spring, upper and (single)lower shrouds replaced on a boat with similar dimensions, removing and taking to shop for duplication cost me $1300 CDN including new turnbuckles all around.
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Sounds good to me.... Where are you based? I'm going to be sailing and dry-docking in Jax in a couple of weeks. In Feb. or March I'll be bringing her to the Panhandle via St. Lucie's canal if it's open. Aren't you in Ft. Meyers or Sarasota?
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Hawg, I thought you sold that boat? Is the delivery ON!
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Sounds good to me.... Where are you based? I'm going to be sailing and dry-docking in Jax in a couple of weeks. In Feb. or March I'll be bringing her to the Panhandle via St. Lucie's canal if it's open. Aren't you in Ft. Meyers or Sarasota?

I'm in St. Pete. I'll send you a phone number and info in a pm if you would like.
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Hawg, I thought you sold that boat? Is the delivery ON!
Mike,
You didn't hear the bad news? Buyer backed out at the last moment, so I'm moving her.... Looking to move her to Jax either the first or second week of December. I'm going to dry dock her for a while, do a few repairs, and then bring her around. The delivery is on! Get out your sailing shoes.... Baloney sandwiches and stale beer is on me!
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