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That is why racing rules require you to carry tools to cut away the rig quick and i can rip the rings out with fast if needed
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The armchair heroes are out in force today ! "No, but I wouldn't trust my rig to a strip of velcro. I like secured cotter pins." Really, do you think the velcro is under load or just restraining the pin from backing out? Have you ever tried to peel the velcro?

"Those would be toast in a one hour 4 leg W/L race as the Velcro will snag sheets and get tugged". Funny, someone who has never used them is speculating again. Over the last 5 years I've done probably close to 75 w/l races on my boat and others, not once have we had the wrap pins tug open. Again suggest you try them before discounting it. Had a slit ring open once- no more split rings. That C&C 35 must have 3/4" barbed wire sheets to be that abusive to your turnbuckles.

"That is why racing rules require you to carry tools to cut away the rig quick and i can rip the rings out with fast if needed". Thanks, except no one is suggesting that you not carry tools to cut away the rig. If the C&C 35 has rod rigging how are you going to cut it unless you have a Shootit or Holmatro Hydraulic cutter. If you have a Harken roller furling please tell me how you are going to saw through the foil and headstay as the bow rises up and down 6-8 feet and rolls around for good measure. Bolt cutters won't work for that application. Most people don't have a clue about how hard it is to get the rig away from the boat if it blows over the side especially at night. These pins make it easier and faster to unscrew the rig which you can even do if it is under load.

Bottom line if you put the rig up in the spring and take it down when you haul and leave the settings alone by all means use conventional cotter pins. If you plan on tuning your rig for conditions the wrap pins work very well. I change out my wrap pins about every 3 Great Lakes seasons.
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I wonder why we have some people reporting that rings catch sheets and some do not.
You ring catchers, is it possible you are using a spring type ring (Just 1.5 wraps of wire) instead of the split ring type (like a key chain)?

The spring type I could see how you could just pull it with a pliers and it would pull out.
The split ring type, how do you get them off quick? I doubt if a pliers would work easily especially in the dark.
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Bottom line if you put the rig up in the spring and take it down when you haul and leave the settings alone by all means use conventional cotter pins. If you plan on tuning your rig for conditions the wrap pins work very well. I change out my wrap pins about every 3 Great Lakes seasons.

Actually is seems as though you would recommend the wrap pins even for cruisers as they are so easy to remove with no tools in the dark. Yes?

Also I doubt it matters but do you think salt water would be more of a problem?
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I don't freaking like Velcro products be it shoes or anything else it always picks stuff up on the hooks and becomes unreliable over time and ends up in the trash

It is amazing how easy it is to upset thin skinned people because you express that you don't care for soemthing and prefer something else

And more amazing your so sure whose in the armchair
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Rings on shroud turnbuckles suck!. I had a sheet catch on one and pull it out detaching the shroud!. Quick crew action and a panic tack back so we saved the rig.
Can you help me visualize what exactly happened?
If the ring got pulled out what made the turnbuckle un-wind about 10 turns to come about.

Did the ring get pulled out then after a few hours the turnbuckle loosened.
That's all I can figure?
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It is amazing how easy it is to upset thin skinned people because you express that you don't care for soemthing and prefer something else
I disagree, I think the problem is people offer opinions with out having any first hand experience.
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I just want to make it perfectly clear that, indeed, I'm an armchair hero with 3rd hand experience.

And I like the rings....and velcro sneakers. But that's just me.
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I think this thread is getting more volatile than the solder/crimp debate.
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Well - Sandusky has done a couple Macs from what I've read. So I'll listen to him. I'd call that first-hand experience.
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