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josrulz 02-13-2010 07:49 PM

Bottom paint prep, chipped paint
 
Hi all,
This spring we'll be prepping and painting the bottom of our boat for the first time. Last year, when we bought the boat, it was 350 miles from home, so we had the yard do it. I realize there are many threads on bottom paint, but this is a little more specific.

The history of the bottom is that it had epoxy barrier coat about 8 years ago. The PO used a hard paint from Petit after that, but had it sanded every year, so there's not too much build up.

This past year, we used Petit Ultima SR (ablative), and it worked well, it looked good and was in tact when the boat was hauled. However, when the yard pressure washed, the result was that the paint chipped in places, especially on the keel and the strut, but also in other spots on the bottom. The paint does not appear to be "loose", just chipped.

I don't believe it's down to the barrier coat anywhere (at least on the fiberglass), because it's still a shade of blue (the paint has been blue since the barrier coat). On the keel, it's harder to tell.

What do I need to do to prep these areas so they are relatively smooth? I don't want to have to strip the bottom. Should I use a fairing compound and smooth it out? Would that be compatible with the existing paint?

I had planned to just put a couple fresh coats of Petit Ultima SR on there so it's the same paint.
Thanks,
J

sailingfool 02-13-2010 09:50 PM

Sand ther rough spots smooth with 80 grit, or whatever grit paper the can recommends. Put a coat of paint on the bare spots, then roll one coat on the bottom. Dont repaint until you s=can see some of the sanded areas have lost all paint. You don't want to build up the ablative,

sailingdog 02-14-2010 07:40 AM

I'd second what SF said, but point out that high wear areas, like the leading edge of the keel, the waterline and such should get an extra coat or two if you're using an ablative paint.

josrulz 02-14-2010 10:14 AM

So SF and SD, you're saying that on the places where the paint is chipped, I should just sand the edges smooth and apply some paint over them, then a coat over the whole bottom?

I realize we don't want it to build up paint too much--that's the whole idea with the ablative. Just wondering if I'll be able to get the keel and strut smooth (more or less) with just sanding.
-J

T37Chef 02-14-2010 10:30 AM

I think the long term fix would be to remove all the paint down to the barrier coat and redux, but as stated you really don't want to do that. As said sanding the edges and applying the paint to that areas should do unless you're a racer.

Did the OP use the same color paint for the hard paint as they did the ablative? Just curious, usually its best practice to use different colors between paint as I did here:

Barrier coat in gray followed by black bottom paint:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...tomPics027.jpg

Two coats (3 on rudder & keel) of black bottom paint followed by one (2 on rudder & keel) coat of blue bottom paint:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...tomPics030.jpg

josrulz 02-14-2010 10:37 AM

Hi T37, yes it was the same color. Blue on blue, but there isn't much build-up. I could do my sanding and then make a switch to another color. The boat's boot and cove stripes are green anyway, so green or black would look fine.

On a related note, I took a pic of the boat just as she was coming out of the water, and the paint was not chipped...it was only after the power washing. Should I make sure that the yard uses a lower setting next time? The bottom was smooth before they power washed.

T37Chef 02-14-2010 10:45 AM

It sounds like there was not a good bond between paints, hence the power-washer chipping it away.

Some ablatives are not compatible with each other. Unfortunately, you'll probably want to take it down to the barrier coat, if not the gel coat or fiberglass someday. But for now just repairing the chips will do.

josrulz 02-14-2010 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T37Chef (Post 570140)
It sounds like there was not a good bond between paints, hence the power-washer chipping it away.

Some ablatives are not compatible with each other. Unfortunately, you'll probably want to take it down to the barrier coat, if not the gel coat or fiberglass someday. But for now just repairing the chips will do.

Well, it's possible the prep wasn't very good. You never know with the yard, though it was a yard with a good reputation. The paints are both Petit, and are listed on their site as being compatible. But of course prep is just as important.

EDIT:
Quote:

Originally Posted by T37Chef (Post 570140)
...Unfortunately, you'll probably want to take it down to the barrier coat, if not the gel coat or fiberglass someday. But for now just repairing the chips will do.

By the way, I meant to add to this post that I'm not against eventually stripping. But we have a very long maintenance list this year, since the boat is basically new to us, so if we can sand and paint this year without causing any harm, then it's the way to go. Less than ideal would be OK with me, so long as the bottom doesn't foul and we're noting causing more problems. There are other things on our list that are more immediate, and need to be done this year.

Out of curiousity, is there a way to strip safely while leaving the barrier coat in tact? I assume so, but just asking for future reference.

T37Chef 02-14-2010 11:05 AM

Hey, at least its not blisters ;)

josrulz 02-14-2010 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T37Chef (Post 570146)
Hey, at least its not blisters ;)

Ha ha! That's true! Just looks like paint to me. Didn't see any bubbles anywhere even right when she came out of the water.

I edited my last post, so not sure if you'll see it...for future reference, is there a safe way to strip the bottom paint without damaging the barrier coat (when the time comes)?


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