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So I am back for some words of wisdom. I will be running all new lines for my boat and have settled on the following:

Topping Lift, Boom Vang, Genoa Sheets, fender lines : No name 3/8" Dacron/Polyester Yacht Braid Rope eBay link to seller Stretch is not an issue with these lines and this line looks like it will fit the bill and save me some money.

Mainsail Haylard, Genoa Haylard, Mainsheet : 5/16" Yale Crystalyne I am spending a little more on the Haylards and Mainsheet to eliminate as much stretch as possible.

Thoughts? I didn't miss a control line did I?

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I wouldn't bother using Crystalyne for the mainsheet, unless you have a high-tech laminate sail, as the sail will stretch far more than a 6:1 dacron double-braid mainsheet will.

You did miss the outhaul, which should probably be a high-tech line to reduce stretch.

One thing I would suggest, if you can afford to do so... color coordinate the lines... make the jib halyard and sheets the same color, make the main halyard, outhaul and sheet the same color, etc. It makes identifying lines a lot simpler...

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So I am back for some words of wisdom. I will be running all new lines for my boat and have settled on the following:

Topping Lift, Boom Vang, Genoa Sheets, fender lines : No name 3/8" Dacron/Polyester Yacht Braid Rope eBay link to seller Stretch is not an issue with these lines and this line looks like it will fit the bill and save me some money.

Mainsail Haylard, Genoa Haylard, Mainsheet : 5/16" Yale Crystalyne I am spending a little more on the Haylards and Mainsheet to eliminate as much stretch as possible.

Thoughts? I didn't miss a control line did I?

Thanks all;

Robert
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Thanks for the Outhaul, I knew I was missing something.

No, I can colour coordinate the lines to help with identification. I was going to label the Clutches as well to help with identification.

I was interested in the Crystalyne not just to limit stretch but because of its load properties, ability to use 5/16" instead of 3/8" or 1/2" and weight aloft. If I were to go with all Dacron/Polyester Yacht Braid Rope would it matter if I went with a no name vs. a Sta Set and would it be a good idea move up to a 1/2"?
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I doubt that the masthead sheaves on your boat are going to handle 1/2" lines.

You really need to make sure the sheaves and line clutches (if you use them) are going to handle the lines you're picking.

Also, some of the high tech lines don't do well in line clutches, as they're a bit too slippery for the clutches to grab well.
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I doubt that the masthead sheaves on your boat are going to handle 1/2" lines.

You really need to make sure the sheaves and line clutches (if you use them) are going to handle the lines you're picking.

Also, some of the high tech lines don't do well in line clutches, as they're a bit too slippery for the clutches to grab well.
Yeah, I just got my Mast Mate... I'm not looking forward to going a loft but I know it has to be done. Day 2 of the refit I will be climbing to the top of my spire to check out everything, install a new windvane and radar reflector.

I had read that the D2 Lewmar Clutches did well with High Tech lines and those were the clutches I was planning on buying. The plan was for a pair of the D2 triple 5/16" to 3/8" clutches since I was looking at those sizes of rope. I suppose the boat has been sailed without high tech line for decades and it probably wont add anything to a 30+ year old boat.

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I like the Lewmar clutches and generally recommend them when asked. Not only do they grip lines fairly well, they also abrade the lines the least out of all the major brands. This means that the lines may last longer.... which isn't a bad thing at all. However, the one major drawback to them is that they are much more limited in the size of lines they can handle. A Spinlock or Garhauer clutch might handle 3/16" through 1/2" line, where the Lewmar would only handle 5/16 - 3/8...

I'd point out that some of the other line clutches, the older Spinlock models in particular, can jam under a very high load and need you to take up some of the load before they will release. The Lewmars are always releasable in a controllable fashion.
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I'm currently using Samson line on my boat.

Halyards are Ultra lite
Genoa sheets are VPC
Outhaul is small dyneema cascade 6:1
Vang is a cascade 6:1 dyneema and the tail is XLS Extra
Backstay is dyneema cascading to tripple block purchase for a 24:1
Pole lift is ultra light spliced to dyneema.
Down haul and cunni are cheap 'spare' lines.
Traveler is ultra lite
Twings are XLS extra stripped.
Mainsheet is Apex and I highly recommend it, but it runs a little fat.

When I do it again I think I'll use Ultra tech for my halyards. Regarding stretch, I used to have a common double braid dacron line for my traveler. In the puffs I could actually see the car move to leeward while sailing. My traveler is only a 2:1. Since I switched to ultra lite, the 'give' is completely gone.
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Topping Lift, Boom Vang, Genoa Sheets, fender lines : No name 3/8" Dacron/Polyester Yacht Braid Rope eBay link to seller Stretch is not an issue with these lines and this line looks like it will fit the bill and save me some money.
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Not sure how many splices you'll need to make on the double braid, but some of the cheaper line has less consistent cover tension and thus is harder to get a good splice.

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good deals

you might wanna check this guy out, ive rerigged entire boat with his gear, incredible deals given the rating of the ropes. took a while to find different colors as i had to wait for colors to come into stock.

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