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Bottom strip/paint questions

So I'm doing some preliminary research on doing my bottom work - hopefully I can get it done in June. I am planning on selling her at the end of summer, but I want to do the job right. I have no problem spending money on new tools, equipment, or quality materials.

I plan on doing a full strip, epoxy blisters, do a full Interprotect barrier coat, and then bottom paint.

- can anyone recommend a chemical stripper to aid in old paint removal?

- what about a tool for stripping off paint?

- should I invest in a vacuum sander set-up?

- any other tools to make my job easier? (I'm pretty much doing it by myself)

- what bottom paint should I go with for the PNW, for year round mooring?

- am I missing anything?

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Due to the EPA, the boatyard you haul at may have it's own ideas about what methods you use. Check with them before spending any money on supplies/equipment.

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Yeah, there's only one yard in town that will let me DIY.

Here's their rules:

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#It is the owner’s and/or his/her representative’s responsibility to inform boatyard personnel of the location to place lifting straps. The Landings at Colony Wharf is not responsible for damage due to strap placement.
# Pressure washing will be done in designated areas and by Boatyard personnel only.
# All sandblasting and heavy grinding must be done inside a building.
# A vacuum sander MUST be used at ALL TIMES of sanding in the boatyard. Non-compliance of this rule WILL result in a $250.00 minimum fine.
# You must control the dust from your work and the areas around the boat must be cleaned up each day.
# Bottom painting must be performed in a manner so that all drips and spills are cleaned up. Tarping underneath the boat is required. You are responsible for any overspray and/or splattered paint found on other boats, vehicles, personal property or the ground.
# No wet sanding
# No spray painting outside
# It is the boat owner’s responsibility to see that the area around the boat is kept clean. The area is to be cleaned up when the boat leaves and all waste materials hauled away.

No wet sanding???

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no wet sanding is kinda odd to me.
it is certainly a way to keep down dust, and if you are tarped under the boat it should not be an issue.
i wet sanded between all the coats when I painted the bottom of my boat. I used interlux brand paint, mostly because I found a marine supply that was going out of business and I was able to get the paint for 75% off.
of course that meant that my color choice was reduced to teal green or teal green, but whatever, its bottom paint after all.

i decided not to use a chemical agent when I stripped down the boat, mostly because I was able to do the whole project in a friends barn (my boat is only 21'). The only advice I can give you is to follow the instructions on any brand paint you use, and wait extra time between coats if you can. The better you prep the boat, the better the outcome of the paint. And don't worry, it will take two to three times longer to do than you anticipate.

And as for the sander... Unless you are planning to use it for alot of projects, check with a local tool rental place. You should be able to rent one for the weekend for a much better price than buying one. And you will get a professional grad sander this way. Sanding the boat is the least time consuming, considering the major sanding that is. Most of the time will be taken up by prepping the boat for sanding, and applying the coats of paint. The sanding between coats should be done manually, and not by machine, for it is only a scuff sanding to allow for better adhesion of the additional coats.

hope that helps.

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If you are going to sell, why go through all this....as a buyer, I would be leary of what has been done...or covered up and why...

Enjoy the boat, adjust your price so a buyer can see what is there...

Else keep ALL the paperwork, receipts and such, as the next owner will surely want to know what was used, how it was applied, etc.

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I thought about this too. I will be documenting the whole thing, and keeping all receipts.

I just thought it would be easier to sell with everything done

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I thought about this too. I will be documenting the whole thing, and keeping all receipts.

I just thought it would be easier to sell with everything done
I agree, sometimes it is better not to do the work if you are going to sell.
usually your best bet is to consult some of the people there at the marina. Not just the workers, but other owners as well. Check out some comparable boats for sale, and do a cost analysis. If you are not going to recoup your costs plus, it may be better to sell as is. If it was me, I would get an estimate to have the boat done professionally, and use that as a control number. You may be pleasantly surprised that you can sell it as is, for very close to what you will get if it is done. And remember if you wind up doing a poor job, it can effect the price negatively.

I only did my paint, because I bought a boat that was poorly painted by the previous owner. I was able to steal my boat because of the terrible job the guy did. Hell he even PAINTED THE BRIGHTWORK!
granted, my boat looks a lot better, and I have had offers that are over twice what I paid for it, but I have seen others going for about the same prices that i was offered that need paint.

if your selling, just let the buyers know that the boat is due for a new bottom coat, and make sure the inside and equipment is up to snuff. At the end of the day, soundness of sails and equipment is much more important than a bottom coat of paint to a prospective buyer.

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I doubt you'll be able to get back what you'll be putting into the boat. No one ever does.

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I know I won't get all back what I put into the boat, I just figured it would sell faster.

I should mention that I bought the boat in September, and I got a good deal, mostly because it needed bottom paint and he thought it had blisters.

So what if I sell it to someone, and they end up needing more than just bottom paint? Like blister repairs, etc?

This is probably a $3500 boat if the bottom was perfect.

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Sander and Polisher - one tool for both?

I have a 23-year-old 27.5 foot sailboat and don't plan on getting anything bigger. I have read some reviews of random orbital sanders, and other reviews of polishers (buffers), but I can't help asking:

Can anyone recommend one tool of reasonably good quality that could perform well as both an orbital sander and a polisher? I know that such a tool might not equal the performance of the best single-purpose sander or single-purpose buffer, but there might be a tool out there that will perform well enough in each category for the limited number of hours I will be using it each year.

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