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Which shrouds/stays get replaced first?

I'm wondering which to prioritize. My boat has 9, two lower shrouds on each side and one upped, plue a fore stay and two non running backstays, one on each side f the transom.

I guess they are getting up there in age, so since I don't have the money to completely raplace them all now, what order of importance should I do them in?

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I would start with the front and back stays because is those snap the mast will end up over board. If 1 shroud snap you still ave 2 more on the same side to hold your mast up.

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I would start with the front and back stays because is those snap the mast will end up over board. If 1 shroud snap you still ave 2 more on the same side to hold your mast up.

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Except that if a cap shroud fails your mast will simply fold over at the spreader before you realize what that 'BANG' was. (don't ask.....)

If your standing rigging is near it's life's end, the reality is it should all be changed for peace of mind. While you might spread the cost over time doing it piecemeal, I'd expect overall it will cost less to have it all done at once.

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If your standing rigging is near it's life's end, the reality is it should all be changed for peace of mind. ...
And that is when? I have heard knowledgeable people talk about 10 years, but I have noticed that most people never change them, or the most conscious ones, only after twice that time.

What is your opinion, about the right time to have them changed?

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And that is when? I have heard knowledgeable people talk about 10 years, but I have noticed that most people never change them, or the most conscious ones, only after twice that time.

What is your opinion, about the right time to have them changed?

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Good question! Yes, the experts will say 10 years (esp in tropics) others say longer is OK, but as mentioned recently on another thread many, many boats are still sailing around with 20, 25 year old SS wire rigging and the rigs are still upright.

And like Tommays says, the service the boat's had over it's lifetime, the sizing and choice of fittings etc etc will have an influence.

As to the OPs question here, If he's worried about changing a stay, presumably because there's a crack in a swage, or it's developing a loose strand, or whatever... if one of your stays/shrouds is making you nervous then I'd say the rest of the rig is not far behind.

We replaced all our standing rigging last year - instigated by installation of a furler (well, may as well replace the forestay while we're at it....) which led to changing the rest at at the same time. It all LOOKED fine, may well have been 1984 original, but now we KNOW it's all new and not a concern for some time to come. btw - total cost (ex furler) ~ $1400... peace of mind? Priceless

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btw - total cost (ex furler) ~ $1400... peace of mind? Priceless
Hey Faster...did you use a local rigger in your area, or did you have your stays/shrouds made up remotely for a better price?
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Hey Faster...did you use a local rigger in your area, or did you have your stays/shrouds made up remotely for a better price?
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Used a local rigger, but we took the shrouds off and brought them in; had new ones made up and then reinstalled the new and re-stepped the mast ourselves. So the only labour charges were for fabrication.

All this stuff adds up to some weight and a bit of an awkward package for shipping, but you may well find a better deal trying that route. We used a guy we knew and had confidence in, helped support the local industry, and can expect some support if needed.

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Thanks Faster. So far, we haven't found any reasonable prices locally. Certainly plenty of expertise, but high prices. We got quotes locally, for doing the same as you--with us taking everything apart and just bringing in our rigging to match up, and the prices were 75% higher than having the same done by Rigging Only in MA. I'd prefer to use someone local, but not at almost twice the price for the same hardware and service outside the area.

I asked about your price because it's much less than we're hearing from local riggers, and our boat is about the same size as yours (granted, rigs can vary a great deal).
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