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What about bedding deck hardware to an old teak deck? Still use butyl? What would you seal the teak with?
It is used for this all the time and works very well. Also cleans off the teak easier than polyruethanes which tend to take half the deck with it when you remvoe them..

A teak deck is most always left to age natural silver so it is not slippery. Some use teak oils on teak decks but they can become slick in nasty weather......
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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

sorry if this is not kosher to do...but I dont think they will let me import this wonderful product down here for cheap

so even though its black I have found some down here...sorry if I have missed it but can this work even though I cant confirm its the same quality as used here?

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sorry if this is not kosher to do...but I dont think they will let me import this wonderful product down here for cheap

so even though its black I have found some down here...sorry if I have missed it but can this work even though I cant confirm its the same quality as used here?

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It will "work" but the questions will be:

For how long?
Will it bleed and continue to bleed when hot?
Will it stain?
Will it remain flexible enough to keep the seal when it is 1/64" thick?
How is it affected by typical cleaning chemicals?

I have tested over 40 brands so know that very few of them can meet my standards. I can't have even hazard a guess as to how that product will perform as there are vast differences in how butyls perform...

Blacks usually have okay stretch performance but are darn messy and tend to bleed longer....

My shipping down there is quite expensive so I would say to try it. You can also re-do easily because unlike a PU sealant is will not be near permanent... You really have nothing to lose by trying it...
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It is used for this all the time and works very well. Also cleans off the teak easier than polyruethanes which tend to take half the deck with it when you remvoe them..

A teak deck is most always left to age natural silver so it is not slippery. Some use teak oils on teak decks but they can become slick in nasty weather......
Thanks Maine Sail!

I prefer the teak silvered, so I won't oil it or try to treat it in any way. But the question was whether I should seal the teak under the hardware to ensure adhesion for the butyl.

When I take off the hardware for rebedding (genoatracks, chainplates, stanchions, etc.) I could apply epoxy or varnish to the parts of the teak that will afterwards be covered. Earlier in the thread it has been recommended to seal wood before attaching with butyl as sealant. However, none of the cases referred to mounting hardware on a teak deck, which is why I asked my question.

As I stated, the teak deck is old and weathered, and previous owners have sanded it down, at least once, without taking off the hardware. Thus, the genua tracks and other stuff stands a bit proud, a couple of millimeters above the rest of the deck. When I take the hardware off, it is therefore easy to sand off a little, to ensure all previous sealant has been removed. That of course freshens the teak. So the question is really if the butyl will adhere well to this fresh teak, or whether I ought to seal it somehow.

Sorry for being so longwinded, I just want to be sure that my question is clear. And thanks a lot for you help in this thread and elsewhere on the net!
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Thanks Maine Sail!

I prefer the teak silvered, so I won't oil it or try to treat it in any way. But the question was whether I should seal the teak under the hardware to ensure adhesion for the butyl.

When I take off the hardware for rebedding (genoatracks, chainplates, stanchions, etc.) I could apply epoxy or varnish to the parts of the teak that will afterwards be covered. Earlier in the thread it has been recommended to seal wood before attaching with butyl as sealant. However, none of the cases referred to mounting hardware on a teak deck, which is why I asked my question.

As I stated, the teak deck is old and weathered, and previous owners have sanded it down, at least once, without taking off the hardware. Thus, the genua tracks and other stuff stands a bit proud, a couple of millimeters above the rest of the deck. When I take the hardware off, it is therefore easy to sand off a little, to ensure all previous sealant has been removed. That of course freshens the teak. So the question is really if the butyl will adhere well to this fresh teak, or whether I ought to seal it somehow.

Sorry for being so longwinded, I just want to be sure that my question is clear. And thanks a lot for you help in this thread and elsewhere on the net!
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It will "work" but the questions will be:

For how long?
Will it bleed and continue to bleed when hot?
Will it stain?
Will it remain flexible enough to keep the seal when it is 1/64" thick?
How is it affected by typical cleaning chemicals?

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Blacks usually have okay stretch performance but are darn messy and tend to bleed longer....

My shipping down there is quite expensive so I would say to try it. You can also re-do easily because unlike a PU sealant is will not be near permanent... You really have nothing to lose by trying it...
maybe I read wrong do you mean shipping is quite expensive or INEXPENSIVE? jajaja

maybe Ill have to bite the bullet

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That was great thank you

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sorry if this is not kosher to do...but I dont think they will let me import this wonderful product down here for cheap

so even though its black I have found some down here...sorry if I have missed it but can this work even though I cant confirm its the same quality as used here?

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Christian, I found myself in the same position here in Brazil. I couldn't find butyl tape anywhere and at the time Mainsail didn't ship here. I ended up finding it through a Sika dealer (they are strong in Latin America and they have a dealer in El Salvador). The product is called Sika Lastomer (I forget which product number exactly, but look on their site- it's the pale beige tape clearly described as a butyl rubber based product). It is excellent stuff and you might be able to find it in El Salvador. I ended up having to buy a whole box (24 rolls!) as the local dealer couldn't order less, so if you ever head down to Brazil I have some for you!
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someday Ill cruise to brasil...for now...that info is woth gold!

thanks so much copa and and mainesail

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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

I am bedding various pieces of countersunk hardware on a wooden deck: jib tracks, pad eyes, stanchions, etc. But I am unable to follow Mainsail's tutorial because the bolts are threaded through the deck and so I have to turn the head of the screw in order to screw it through the deck to seat it…which scrapes off the butyl as it seats in the hardware.
Should I enlarge the bolt holes in the deck slightly so that the bolts can be inserted with out turning them?
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