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sorry if this is not kosher to do...but I dont think they will let me import this wonderful product down here for cheap

so even though its black I have found some down here...sorry if I have missed it but can this work even though I cant confirm its the same quality as used here?

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Christian, I found myself in the same position here in Brazil. I couldn't find butyl tape anywhere and at the time Mainsail didn't ship here. I ended up finding it through a Sika dealer (they are strong in Latin America and they have a dealer in El Salvador). The product is called Sika Lastomer (I forget which product number exactly, but look on their site- it's the pale beige tape clearly described as a butyl rubber based product). It is excellent stuff and you might be able to find it in El Salvador. I ended up having to buy a whole box (24 rolls!) as the local dealer couldn't order less, so if you ever head down to Brazil I have some for you!
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someday Ill cruise to brasil...for now...that info is woth gold!

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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

I am bedding various pieces of countersunk hardware on a wooden deck: jib tracks, pad eyes, stanchions, etc. But I am unable to follow Mainsail's tutorial because the bolts are threaded through the deck and so I have to turn the head of the screw in order to screw it through the deck to seat it…which scrapes off the butyl as it seats in the hardware.
Should I enlarge the bolt holes in the deck slightly so that the bolts can be inserted with out turning them?
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I am bedding various pieces of countersunk hardware on a wooden deck: jib tracks, pad eyes, stanchions, etc. But I am unable to follow Mainsail's tutorial because the bolts are threaded through the deck and so I have to turn the head of the screw in order to screw it through the deck to seat it…which scrapes off the butyl as it seats in the hardware.
Should I enlarge the bolt holes in the deck slightly so that the bolts can be inserted with out turning them?

Does any of your deck hardware use backing plates? Are there metal plates inserted into the decks that are tapped for the bolts?
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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

Thanks for responding Mainsail.
The deck hardware I am rebidding only has fender washers and not backing plates.

There are no metal plates inserted in the deck. Just wood, nuts and washers.
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Thanks for responding Mainsail.
The deck hardware I am rebidding only has fender washers and not backing plates.

There are no metal plates inserted in the deck. Just wood, nuts and washers.
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I'd suggest going on drill larger with the holes so you can tighten the nuts without twisting the bolts too much..
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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

I forgot that some of the higher load deck hardware like the main sheet block are mounted in the deck with "sex" bolts.
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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

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My mistake, ALL of the deck hardware except for the stanchion bases, does NOT just go through wood. There are metal sleeves in the deck that bolts thread through before nuts are threaded on inside of the hull.
So, how should I bed with Butyl in that situation?

The exception are the stanchion bolts. They do not thread into a metal sleeve, they thread through wooden beams and then are secured by nuts inside the hull. They get a lot of strength and movement is inhibited because they are threaded through into the wood of the deck. Should those be drilled to help seat with butyl?

Thank-you for your advice.
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Re: Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape

Got my butyl tape from Maine Sail promptly. Now it is time to re-bed one chain plate. Water is coming in from this location, but it seems to be clear (no brown goo). However, the water is coming in and some of it is working its way to the back of the cabin. I have read so much on this subject that my head hurts. There is no way that I can completely dry out the area prior to the epoxy repair at this time. The flat plate on deck is held down by four screws (somewhat loose- easy to turn with a screwdriver), and by one horizontal pin. Would it be possible to perform a temporary repair by doing the following:
1- remove the turnbuckle and plate
2- clean and plug the area generously with butyl tape
3- reinstall the hardware, with the horizontal pin holding everything in place
Can I get by with this until next winter's haul-out?
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