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I like these, do I really need them?

My boat apparently had a back stay adjuster of some type before me. I like this

I know I could use more tension on the backstay of my boat. if nothing else just to help the roller furler work better.

Also, Lately I've been reading here about cunningham use and draft.
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I wonder about this set up and if it's really all that important because not many boats seem to have them. Single handing is always in mind for anything on my boat. . I still have a 3 sheave deck organizer not installed on the port side of my cabin top. And also a double rope clutch. (gotta love garhauer)
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I thought you where looking for a new boat?
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I'm always looking Chef! Just don't know when I would actually buy. Real Estate still isn't moving. Besides improvements just would make my boat nicer to the next owner. Oday 30s don't really have a high value.
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Do you need them? Well, that's a matter of opinion and perspective, I'd say.

On a masthead rig, a backstay tensioner primarily adjusts headstay tension. You can use this to improve performance by carefully tuning headstay and halyard tension, depending on tack and wind conditions. It may also mildly affect mast bend, tho not nearly as much as on fractional rigs.

Same with the Cunningham, tho, of course, this is a mainsail adjustment. You can use it to fine-tune mainsail shape.

But I think you already knew these things

If you're not racing, and unless you enjoy tweaking things to gain an extra fraction of a knot here-and-there, I would think you'd find little use for them.

Personally, even when just day sailing, I enjoy tweaking things to get that extra fraction of a knot. Particularly in going to weather in heavy air, or off the wind in light air, I find the backstay adjuster on Abracadabra handy for that.

Abracadabra doesn't yet have a Cunningham, tho she will--perhaps before the season's out, depending on finances. There have been times, going to weather, when I wanted to tighten the luff just a little bit more, and was unable to achieve what I wanted with the main halyard. The Cunningham would've been great to have on those occasions. There've been other times where the Captain screwed-up, and forgot to re-trim the main halyard before changing tacks (say, before rounding a mark), where a Cunningham could've made up for the oversight.

I probably wouldn't usually bother rigging the Cunningham unless we were going to be racing. The less clutter on the decks, the better.

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Denise -
Considering the title of this thread, it's a shame you changed avatars.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Almost sounds like something I'd say while shopping, doesn't it Mike?
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I just setup this cunningham rig and it works well. I already had a padeye on the deck for a mastbase turning block, so I use a small snap shackle to attach the cunningham there, and on the other end I used a stainless steel hook to attach to the cunningham cringle. This makes the whole system easily removable.
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Do you absolutely "need" a cunningham or backstay adjuster? Of course not. Your boat will still move through the water without them. But adding these very basic sail shape controls will absolutely help you sail the boat better. Plus, they're fun projects to build, if you're into that kind of thing. Always been half the fun of owning a boat for me.
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My boat apparently had a back stay adjuster of some type before me. I like this

I know I could use more tension on the backstay of my boat. if nothing else just to help the roller furler work better.

Also, Lately I've been reading here about cunningham use and draft.
I like this:

I wonder about this set up and if it's really all that important because not many boats seem to have them. Single handing is always in mind for anything on my boat. . I still have a 3 sheave deck organizer not installed on the port side of my cabin top. And also a double rope clutch. (gotta love garhauer)
Get both. If you're sails aren't blow out, they will help a great deal with boat control and trim in higher winds just before you consider reefing. Your boat will love you for it. On the cunningham, you can lead the line up through the cunningham cringle on your main, then back down and just tie it to your gooseneck if you don't want to drill more holes in your mast. It's also worth talking to a good rigger as a head check. There are also a lot of options for backstay tackle that aren't in a kit, will be lighter (think Dyneema/Amsteel) and possibly even a bit less expensive. It'll probably cost you an hour of his/her time, and you can do the installation. Have fun!
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Fst I agree. I do think I'll rig up a BSA, The headstay is way too slack and the BS turnbuckles are maxed. I do worry about too much down force from the mast since it's keel stepped. and it's a encapsulated keel. But then I'm one of those people that worries about obscure things LOL
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