Leak in the hull

[sailingdog]

Another issue that it could be, which the fill the bilge with water test would probably fail to detect, is if it is a crack or leak along the side, rather than the bottom, of the hull. I saw a similar problem with a tank, where the crack that was causing the leaking was about half-way up the tank's side—so it only leaked if the tank was filled past that point.

[sailingdog]

I am just a bit curious why and how you didn't know about the change in management at Performance Cruising, considering you say:

Originally Posted by FatCatMultihulls

Hi my name is nick from NY, i represent FatCatMultihulls Which is an exclusive dealer for The Gemini 105Mc for RI,CT,MI,and LI.

This doesn't say much about the quality of your dealership and the attention it pays to what is going on. It also reflects poorly at best on the relationship you and Fat Cat Multihulls have with Performance Cruising.

The fact that you didn't disclose this in this thread is something I have to question, and would make me doubt your honesty and integrity as a dealer, were I in the market for a Gemini. Full disclosure is generally a good idea. Finally, I'd point out that you should read and comply with the Special Interest declaration post that is in the Boat Buying forum, since you're in a marine-related industry.

BTW, I went to the Fat Cat Multihulls website and I noticed that there is NO STREET ADDRESS on the website as far as I can see. You say you're on Peconic Bay, but IMHO, having a street address and a local phone number for a business is generally a good thing on a website.

[donlofland]

Could it be the packing gland/shaft seal? (If it has an inboard in that hull.)

I can't say I'm familiar with this particular boat, but the most likely places for salt water to come in are where holes are built into the boat-the packing gland and thru hulls.

[sailingdog]

No shafts through the hull on a Gemini, so no need for a packing gland of any sort. They use a bridgedeck mounted westerbreke 27 diesel with a Sillette Sonic Sail Drive leg, that mounts to the aft end of the bridge deck and looks much like the lower end of an outboard engine.

Originally Posted by donlofland

Could it be the packing gland/shaft seal? (If it has an inboard in that hull.)

I can't say I'm familiar with this particular boat, but the most likely places for salt water to come in are where holes are built into the boat-the packing gland and thru hulls.

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by sailingdog

No shafts through the hull on a Gemini, so no need for a packing gland of any sort. They use a bridgedeck mounted westerbreke 27 diesel with a Sillette Sonic Sail Drive leg, that mounts to the aft end of the bridge deck and looks much like the lower end of an outboard engine.

Not to be too picky but actually it's a Westerbeke 30B

Gemini 105's are kind of unusual with a single diesel mounted center on the bridge deck (middle cockpit locker), the Drive leg (lifts via hydraulic pump) is fully articulated and turns with the rudders - providing for tight turns under power, but not as good as dual motors would provide.

My A/C raw water strainer cracked one winter (forgot to drain it). For four weeks I went crazy with a couple inches of water in the bilge on occasion. Found the crack one day just tearing everything apart. It only leaked when boat wake going by rocked the boat. That leak/strainer was in the aft cabin, the water was in the forward bilge.
After that I installed bilge pumps.

I'd be seriously surprised to find it was a cracked hull, that would take some doing. Just because the water is in the hull by the sink does NOT mean that is where it is coming from.
Gemini's are built on a platform from start to finish, then launched from that platform - there is nothing to drop it from or too.
After they are launched they sit in a slip for up to many weeks getting outfitted, rigged etc. If it was a factory originated crack it would have shown LONG before you took delivery.

Perhaps the reason PCI isn't returning your calls is
a) they know what I just wrote above and are expecting you to call your insurance company if it is in fact a cracked hull.

b) since you are a dealer for them, you should damn well know that yourself.

c) they are aware that you are bad mouthing them here (look up user WillH someday - He's moved on, but it goes to show they do read these forums you know.)

Anyway, Mr. dealer who doesn't know diddly about PCI and the yahoo group - welcome to Gemini ownership.

[T37Chef]

really, the leg turn with the rudders, thats cool

[therapy23]

Hmmmm........

[kd3pc]

FatCat....

there is an old saying about don't crap where you eat...as a new dealer for these boats you should think long and hard about your deal with them, as well as theirs with you.

Who are your potential customers...? Likely a bunch are on this list now.

Just my opinion.

[sailingdog]

I'm just curious... but when you wrote this... did you have your brain shut down??? You're basically accusing a company that has been in business for about 30 years or so of trying to cover up a damaged boat that they sold to someone who is going to be a factory approved dealer for them.

Now, if I were a boat manufacturer, I'd try like hell to make sure that a boat that was being bought by a dealer for use as a dealer demo boat had the FEWEST problems, rather than try and palm off a damaged boat on them to use as a showpiece. Doing what you're basically accusing them of is pretty damn stupid.

I'd also point out that their track record, with over a 1000 Geminis out there, is fairly good. One reason I bought my Telstar 28 is that the Performance Cruising booth at the boat show was one of the few that had owners of their boats hanging out and talking about them—and the owners I spoke with were pretty happy with their boats overall.

Also, talking like that about the company and showing how completely ignorant you are about the company you're supposed to be a dealer for is probably a really bad idea. First, it shows that you probably won't have any clue of how to help people who buy a boat from you with any issues they might run into, since you're not even capable of doing it for your own boat. Second, it shows that you've got the intelligence of something I scraped off the bottom of my boat shoes—or at least act that way. Third, Performance Cruising isn't probably going to be all that happy with you saying something like that about them—and the cooperation you'll get from them if they do hear about this, and I'm pretty sure they will, is going to be less than stellar.

Originally Posted by FatCatMultihulls

we tried to contact the guy incharge of service Steve titman and he has yet to get back to us. we contacted him several times and he has only got back to us once and the things that he had mentioned we tried to do and none of them worked. our next goal is to contact laura and see what she says. thanks for the info SD i will deff. join that group ;D. and T37 nahh im not joking, we think also that they might of dropped it while in the manufacturing process and they might of tried to do a quick fix and screwed it up that way. but we gotta pull it out of the water and look at the hull closley.

[carl762]

ug!!!!