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You guys with the big boats definitely have more stern space to play with. My CS27 (with external rudder) doesn't have enough room to mount tanks on the transom without making it look like it has butt-cheeks.

I have enough room (in my visual opinion) to put one 10lb tank on the rail and I don't really like the aethetic impact at all. It is, however, a very functional compromise considering a horizontal tank would eat an entire locker up, and a vertical tank would be very hard to drain from a bulkhead mount.

The SS mounting looks very sharp, but will have to wait until the budget recovers from this refit. I just use a steel plate which screws to the transom top, and has one "leg" that supports the outboard portion. It's painted the color of the transom, so not too obtrusive.

As for the solenoid, I completely agree about the convenience. I like the idea. I just think they are an expensive piece of convenience in my case. I'll look more closely at the ABYC standards again and see if I can deduce whether the solenoid rule applies to stern rails. If not, I think I'll keep it simple and upgrade later.

My boat is just about stripped to the hull and going through almost complete electronics replacement, woodworking restoration, painting, blister repair, running rigging replacement, and more... So, I'm trying to watch every penny as they add up incredibly fast across systems. Not skimping, or being dangerously cheap, but trying to prioritize what's truly necessary to get her back afloat before I go nuts.

I've worked with the manual valve for a while and had no objections to the convenience, so I know I could happily live with it for a year or two and add a solenoid later as long as its not required by ABYC for stern rails. If its requiredm then I'll certainly make it happen one way or another.

Thanks again for all the input!

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ABYC doesn't require a solenoid valve on any boat unless you are not able to close the valve manually from the appliance. That means unless the tank is on the cabintop as on some Bristol Channel Cutters with a valve accessible under the deckhead you need a solenoid. ABYC doesn't distinguish between stern mounting and lockers. You also need a pressure gauge between the tank and the regulator.

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I'm not sure what the availability is like in Ontario but out west the most popular propane sensor/solenoid control is th Electro Systems. Propane Detectors for Boats and RVs
Made in Victoria since 1973. Comparable in price to the Xintex and designed for 1 sensor (included) or a second optional one.
Here's the one with solenoid control.
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The Xintex I linked to above has a switch for the solenoid control.

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I'm not sure what the availability is like in Ontario but out west the most popular propane sensor/solenoid control is th Electro Systems. Propane Detectors for Boats and RVs
Made in Victoria since 1973. Comparable in price to the Xintex and designed for 1 sensor (included) or a second optional one.
Here's the one with solenoid control.
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I know. I was offering a Canadian alternative.
While my boat is a Canadian Sailcraft and I live on Lake Ontario, I'm actually on the US side at the Port of Rochester. I still appreciate having alternatives though, and will look into both.

I haven't seen this model in any of the US based catalogs though, so they may not have much distribution this way.
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I installed a 10 lb aluminum tank under the horseshoe bouy on the stern rail of my Hunter 27, in 1980. You really had to look to even see it was there. It fed the cabin stove and the gas grill on the opposite side stern rail. Once we had the grill on the stern rail we almost never used the inside stove again. Even coffee was faster on the grill.
Tank valves are pretty bullet-proof if you remember to close them. Solenoid valves, not so much. I usually replace a couple of the 20 or so on every job we do at start up. They aren't bad, they get damaged from the slightest touch, which often bends the little tube inside of the coil.

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