Schaefer Furling System no Extrusions

[ukrsindicat]

I have recently purchased a Newport 30. So I took it out and run into some troubles. Long story short, I have torn my Genoa beyond the repair.
Now I am looking for a replacement, but not sure which one should I get.
I have a Schaefer Furling system that doesn't replace the forward stay or has any extrusions(that pipe in which you are inserting the tape of you furling genoa).
Here is the the description of my Schaefer system and the old sail:
On my old sail there is a wire stitched along the luff of the sail. This luff wire has one eye at the tack that attached to the roller furling drum. Other eye is attached at the swivel that is raised by the hallyard along the forward stay.

I just to test I have attached the hank-on genoa by its head and tack grommets and the system worked(it rolled and unrolled) without the wire.

So here is my question:
Should I just buy a any sail with head and tack grommets without worrying about the wire? OR should I get a wire stitched into the new sail?

Attached are the photos of the sail with the luff wire and the hardware.

Thank you for your feedback.

Yuriy

[knothead]

You really need to have the wire in the luff. Without it you will have difficulty getting it tight enough to work properly under sailing conditions.

Since those systems are not as popular as they once were, I would imagine that there are lots of used sails around that are set up that way.

[sailingdog]

One thing to double check is what way the wire in the wire luff is twisted. This makes a serious difference, since you can unlay the wire if you set the furler up in the wrong direction.

BTW, this type of furler can not be used for reefing AFAIK, and is more often used for asymmetrical spinnakers and screachers, rather than genoas nowadays.

[ukrsindicat]

Awesome,



Thank you guys. I will get a furling sail and began looking for a rigid system.



I would like to begin sailing with the sail connected by grommets for now tilll I get a regid system. Do you think that sail itself(without the cable inside) will be able to handle the tension with out tearing up?



Thank you guys!



Yuriy

[sailingdog]

No.

[gtoole]

Originally Posted by ukrsindicat

I have recently purchased a Newport 30. So I took it out and run into some troubles. Long story short, I have torn my Genoa beyond the repair.
Now I am looking for a replacement, but not sure which one should I get.
I have a Schaefer Furling system that doesn't replace the forward stay or has any extrusions(that pipe in which you are inserting the tape of you furling genoa).
Here is the the description of my Schaefer system and the old sail:
On my old sail there is a wire stitched along the luff of the sail. This luff wire has one eye at the tack that attached to the roller furling drum. Other eye is attached at the swivel that is raised by the hallyard along the forward stay.

I just to test I have attached the hank-on genoa by its head and tack grommets and the system worked(it rolled and unrolled) without the wire.

So here is my question:
Should I just buy a any sail with head and tack grommets without worrying about the wire? OR should I get a wire stitched into the new sail?

Attached are the photos of the sail with the luff wire and the hardware.

Thank you for your feedback.

Yuriy

Hi, ukrsindicat. I'm in essentially the same boat. (Well, actually mine is a bit smaller - a Sirius 21.) I have the exact same furler and a wire luff sail with hanks but haven't figured out how to install it. The Schaefer website is no help, but I've emailed Schaefer asking for help. I'll let you know what they say.

Meanwhile, the owner of my local chandlery has advised me that the luff wire is essential. I'd like to furl my 150% genoa, but it doesn't have a luff wire so I got a quote ($150 max) for stitching in a wire with thimbles, etc.

BTW, do you know the model number of the furler, or do you have an owner's manual, installation guide or any other documentation which you could scan & post?

Many thanks,

gt

[turbulicity]

Originally Posted by sailingdog

No.

+1.

That wire (forestay) is also supporting your mast which the sail alone cannot handle. You will likely tear/stretch your head sail, and have your mast excessively raked aft.

[davisr]

Yuriy,

I own an Ericson 25 and am active on the Ericson Forum. I was searching around the web and found your posting on your schaefer roller furler. I have the same exact kind. I'm trying to decide whether to get rid of it or not. My decision is based primarily on my need for a new jib. The problem comes down to figuring out whether it's worth having a *new* jib made with a wire luff sewn into it so that I can use this *old style* furler.

Schaefer sells a newer version of this old wire-luff style furler, which, in the 650 size, would cost over a thousand dollars. The old version I have now, still works fine. I want to avoid having to buy both a new jib and a new furler at the same time. Sort of dilemma.

Schaefer Marine - Jib Furling

Schaefer Free-Furling System Accessories at Mauri Pro Sailing


Thanks for any suggestions,
Roscoe