Wire/Rope Halyard question - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 15 Old 09-27-2010 Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 14
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Wire/Rope Halyard question

My spin halyard came out the top of the mast so now that it has inconveniently come out I was considering changing it. It is half rope and half wire. Why was it made that way? Is this a good set up to have or am I better off with all rope? any opinions?
Thanks
bandit1 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Handsome devil
 
Stillraining's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: LaConner,Washington
Posts: 3,477
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 10
     
For a Spin IMHO all rope would be way better.

"Go Simple...Go Large"

Relationships are everything to me..everything else in life are just tools to enhance them.


The purchase price of a boat is just the admittance fee to the dance...you still have to spend money on the girl...so court one with something going for her with pleasing and desirable character traits others desire as well... or you could find yourself in a disillusioned relationship contemplating an expensive divorce.
Stillraining is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Senior Member
 
chef2sail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,082
Thanks: 30
Thanked 58 Times in 54 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Send a message via AIM to chef2sail
All rope....dyneema.....but depending on thickness you may have to replace masthead sheeve

Dave


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
___________________________
S/V Haleakala (Hawaiian for" House of the Sun")
C&C 35 MKIII Hull # 76
Parkville, Maryland
(photos by Joe McCary)
Charter member of the Chesapeake Lion posse

Our blog-
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


“Sailing is just the bottom line, like adding up the score in bridge. My real interest is in the tremendous game of life.”- Dennis Conner
chef2sail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
S/V Lilo, Islander 32
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lafayette, Oregon
Posts: 249
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 8
 
I believe rope/wire halyards where popular in the past due to the high stretch rate of ropes from times past. By using half wire, you could reduce the overall stretch by half, but still be able to handle the rope end which is easier then handling wire.

More recent rope types have a lot less stretch, so usually rope/wire is not needed anymore. Just after the bought our current boat, we had all the rigging replaced. It had rope/wire halyards, and the riggers strongly recommended we change them. We had to replace the sheaves at the mast head, and due to the size of the mast head we had to have custom sheaves made and use a slightly smaller diameter, high tech high strength rope. Removing the cost of having them due the rope to wire splices pretty much covered the cost of the conversion as no one wants to do those splices anymore if they do not have to. (At least they didn't).

I would recommend changing to all rope if possible. If your spinnaker halyard runs through a block on the mast like mine, rather then through the masthead sheaves, this should not be to difficult.

S/V Lilo
1964 Islander 32
Saint Helens, OR
IslanderGuy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Senior Member
 
bruceyp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Red Bank, NJ
Posts: 118
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
What about a main halyard or Jib halyard? I too have wire/rope and was thinking of replacing them this winter. Can I go all rope? Does the mast need to come down to check the sheaves?
BP
bruceyp is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Splashed
 
JomsViking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 554
Thanks: 28
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceyp View Post
What about a main halyard or Jib halyard? I too have wire/rope and was thinking of replacing them this winter. Can I go all rope? Does the mast need to come down to check the sheaves?
BP
Yes - All rope is better - Dyneema and Spectra have less stretch than wire, and you can get pre-stretched Polyester that is good enough.
It's easier with the mast down, but a bosuns chair will get you there too. Please ensure that the sheaves are totally smooth inside, or they will ruin your new halyards..

Watch great footage about the story of one man’s slow odyssey around the UK:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
JomsViking is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Splashed
 
JomsViking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 554
Thanks: 28
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IslanderGuy View Post
I believe rope/wire halyards where popular in the past due to the high stretch rate of ropes from times past. By using half wire, you could reduce the overall stretch by half, but still be able to handle the rope end which is easier then handling wire.
Even better - you winched almost all of the rope down when raising the sail, so that you basically had all wire..

Watch great footage about the story of one man’s slow odyssey around the UK:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
JomsViking is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posts: 1,350
Thanks: 36
Thanked 42 Times in 41 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceyp View Post
What about a main halyard or Jib halyard? I too have wire/rope and was thinking of replacing them this winter. Can I go all rope? Does the mast need to come down to check the sheaves?
BP
I converted wire/rope to all rope stayset x for main and jib. I do not like the staset x for the main as it is too stiff and does not run out smoothly. Inevitably a loop will kink as I'm lowering the main. Plus, after sailing for half an hour or so I have to go and reset the main due to stretch in the halyard/luff. For the jib, I have since installed a CD roller which has an internal wire halyard, which eliminates unecessary fiddling around. If doing over I would either go back to wire/rope or find a more suitable no stretch rope, one that was more supple and would run out without kinking and would coil up more easily.
John
ccriders is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Senior Member
 
tommays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,296
Thanks: 1
Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
On the 35' we have T900 and while its about as LOW stretch as it gets i still feel the big advantage is NO fishhooks from the wire

1970 Cal 29 Sea Fever

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1981 J24 Tangent 2930
Tommays
Northport NY


If a dirty bottom slows you down what do you think it does to your boat
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
tommays is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 15 Old 09-27-2010
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 685
Thanks: 1
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommays View Post
On the 35' we have T900 and while its about as LOW stretch as it gets i still feel the big advantage is NO fishhooks from the wire
We replaced all four halyards with 5/16" T-900 about a decade ago. Better than wire and reduces weight aloft quite a bit also.

L
olson34 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
rope to wire halyard knot gtunison Seamanship & Navigation 43 01-05-2011 10:40 AM
Wire to rope Halyard Splice tara42 Gear & Maintenance 8 03-16-2010 04:26 PM
Changing the halyard from wire to rope gimmellsdad Gear & Maintenance 25 06-10-2009 04:17 PM
Halyard Changing wire to rope? saurav16 Gear & Maintenance 9 05-10-2008 02:18 PM
Wire / Rope Halyard RumorHazit26 Gear & Maintenance 14 08-27-2007 10:55 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome