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klubko 11-08-2010 12:10 AM

Sail price and dacron type
 
Hello,
we are shopping for a new mainsail and we've got quotes from North Sails and UK Hasley. The price difference is quite substantial.
Is there any comparison of the Nordac Premium, used by NS, and TNF Dacron used by UK Hasley?
Many thanks for advice
Petr

newhaul 11-08-2010 01:28 AM

not much difference between cloths check prices from fx as well the most important thing to look at is waranty will they fix it if it fails at their expense.
also ask each company for tech specs on their cloth.

klubko 11-08-2010 04:10 AM

newhaul, thanks. What is fx?

cruisingdream 11-08-2010 06:03 AM

fx sails
http://shop.sailnet.com/sail-loft-c-...431936143d765a

JimsCAL 11-08-2010 07:35 AM

Make sure you are comparing similar sails - type and weight of cloth, number of reefs, number of full length battens, etc. Generally the lofts buy their cloth from someone else (like Challenge) and then may put their own name on it. Premium dacron of the same weight will be pretty much the same.

I note you are from Hong Kong. Rolly Tasker in Thailand is a huge operation with a reputation of building very good sails for good prices. Look for a local dealer.

Sabreman 11-08-2010 09:24 AM

Note that NorDac is a proprietary cloth manufactured for North. It is a laminate and should not be compared with high aspect or any cruising dacrons from Challenge, Bainbridge, or anyone else. As a laminate it has the potential to delaminate and mildew. Personally, I would not touch NorDac or NorLam. The jib in my avatar is NorDac. It delaminated and grew acres of mold shortly after the photo was taken in August. It's been replaced with a dacron sail from another loft.

With many of the Name lofts, you pay for the name, marketing, and franchise. The reality is that many if not most cruising dacron sails are made in Hong Kong at one or two huge facilities and "designed" by computer at the remote site. Unless the sail is made locally by a small loft, the local sailmaker does very little except measure for your sail; they don't actually make the sail. High end racing sails area different beast; the sailmaker is much more involved.

Try Hong Kong Sailmakers (http://www.hksailmakers.com/).

If you want to see how a high end laminate is made, see the following. YouTube - How It's Made (Season 14 / Episode 4 / Part 1)

jrd22 11-08-2010 11:06 AM

I'll second the recommendation of Rolly Tasker sails. I have two that I bought from National Sail in Florida. Great sails, best cloth, great price.

klubko 11-08-2010 06:29 PM

Thanks you all,
as for the Rolly Tasker in Thailand: I don't want to badmouth them, but we've got a bad experience with them.
We are also thinking about Lee Sails, which are based in Hong Kong and people speak nicely of them.
Our main concern is that we want extra large roach (over extending the backstay, but allowing tacking when reefed to 1st reef) and a lot of people warned us that it has to be done by someone who really knows what they are doing. That's why we also considered NS, which are however quite far away.
Sabreman: NS website describes Nordac as woven polyester, is that really the same cloth you mention?

Sabreman 11-08-2010 06:39 PM

Quote:

NS website describes Nordac as woven polyester, is that really the same cloth you mention?
I think so. I bought the sail used and in "excellent" condition; no delam and no mold. It has a "North Sails Cruising Sails" label on it. The tag and the broker said that it was NorDac. My understanding is that NorLam is a racing cloth. I had the sail up for 2 months and mold grew rampantly. Researching the issue, I found that mold grows between the taffeta on each side of the sail and whatever the core is. Regardless, a cruising sail should not get that moldy in 2 months of Chesapeake summer. Unless I'm hard-core racing I will not go with anything except straight dacron.

Fortunately the broker (Bacon Sails), upon my suggestion, applied the price to a new sail and all is well. The new sail is built much better too. :)

klubko 11-08-2010 10:28 PM

Thanks, we definitely want Dacron that would last, can be repaired by us etc.


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