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On my boat the bilge pump pumps into the cockpit drain about a foot above the waterline. I've never had a problem with it. No chance of a syphon because the drain is open to atmosphere in the cockpit.

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RichH- I understand what you are saying but isn't that all based on when the boat is level, not heeled over one way or the other? You got me thinking about why Brewer designed our discharges to be a foot or so below waterline. If the discharge is at the water line when level it will be quite high when heeled to the other side, depending on the angle, which would increase the total head by the number of feet above the heeled waterline (assuming the pump to be in the center of the boat). If the discharge is about a foot below waterline when level it will be app. that same foot lower when heeled over, increasing performance. Conversely, when heeled toward the discharge it will be lower in the water which doesn't seem like it would decrease performance much if at all. I agree with you that there must be some increased resistance discharging into the water as opposed to into air, but it seems like it would be minimal at the flow rates that most bilge pumps put out and the relatively large diameter of the hose (I could be wrong about that, I'll have to ask my brother the pump expert). The biggest disadvantage I can see to being below water line is the potential for growth, like you said, to block or partially obstruct the opening which could really decrease performance. The only other thing that I see as a possible negative to having thru hulls at or just above water line is the potential for damage from hitting objects (logs here in the PNW) in the water which generally are floating at the surface.
Interesting thread. I kind of like the idea of the bigger second pump discharging into the cockpit.

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jrd - all this is probably based on 'averages' because there will probably be that for an immersed discharge, there will be an equal average time when such discharge is above the water. Also if there is a 'siphon loop', and because the static head is from the *bottom of the bilge to the waterlilne ---- INSIDE the discharge hose* the relative 'relative static head' will remain quite 'constant'. When the discharge is above the waterline, it will take MORE energy to pump (because of the reduction of the 'siphon effect).

If the system is 'sized' correctly the velocity of the flow through the pipes/hose should be 'non-turbulent' and therefore the friction/resistance due to the flow in (excess) hose/pipe would be at a minimum (approaching whats known as essentially frictionless 'laminar flow'. That usually means (as a wild-assed guesstimate), using the next larger pipe/hose diameter and plumbing components than the discharge nozzle diameter of the pump, omitting any sharp bends or 90 degree 'elbows' whenever possible. When the 'velocity' of the discharge becomes 'high' and the flow in the hose is 'turbulent' there arises a lot of needless 'pressure drop' in the piping due to this 'friction', ... the (common centrifugal) bilge pump begins to 'slip' and automatically reduces its volumetric flow vs. increased discharge pressure. Most 'bilge' pumps are centrifugal ... and by this argument would favor a more 'constant displacement' type pump such as the old fashioned diaphragm or vane bilge pumps (ignoring their vulnerability/ poor performance when loaded with 'trash'/debris).
I use 6 ft. /second velocity as the max. limit to avoid 'turbulent flow' as a 'guesstimate or 'go-by' instead of doing laborious calcs. of each component, etc. 9 ft./sec. usually results in full turbulent flow --- high resistance and corresponding loss of centrifugal pump capacity.

"....... I kind of like the idea of the bigger second pump discharging into the cockpit".
Me too, I run my 'last chance' high capacity pump to the cockpit ... I want to SEE that the hi cap. is ON ... when you SEE it, your 'sphincter' tingles a bit 'faster' and encourages you into 'action' a little faster than waiting to be surprised to see the hatches in your sole floating by.

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Hi all, interesting thread. I am getting ready to replace my primary pump and float switch, and will also add a larger "de-watering" pump. I did this on my last boat, adding a discharge thru-hull high up on the port side. I also tied in a 12v horn that would sound when the big pump went on. I like the idea of having the larger pump discharge into the cockpit, but have one reservation. If you get pooped will the additional water in the cockpit flow down the discharge hose and down into the bilge? I guess you still need to loop it above where it discharges into the cockpit.

Does this sound reasonable to you guys?

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