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The next time I run into someone who says "tillers are better!" I'm gonna ask to see his tiller steered car.


And while we're at it, let's throw the engine overboard along with all the electronics, compass et al. Hell let's just cobble some driftwood together and let the wind and tides take us where they please.
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Diesel, You many not realize how low tech/easy Edson wheel steering is to work on or even remove and re-install the pedestal Greasy yes. complicated, no. You can remove the pedestal and install your teak flooring then re install it.
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Question Tiller? Wheel?

Too much emotion about steering wheels on boats!
Note that most folks defend their own choices as "best."
Yup, me too!

Better to just recognize that tillers often have a lot advantages on most boats under about 35'.
They are preferable for sailing and magnitudes simpler to install and repair.

Against that, most new sailors in that last 20 years (to use a round number) are more comfortable with a boat that steers like their car and the boats themselves have become less rewarding to sail as their general hull shapes became attuned to their modern role as an RV, with a semblance of a sailing hull shape wrapped around a small vacation condo inside.

The triumph of marketing in a shrinking "sailing market".
And, yes these slab-sided condos do sail adequately on a 12 knot day in small waves -- that's their design brief and they achieve it well.

Tiller or wheel, be happy with your choice.
I have more decades with tillers and prefer them for sailing; our present boat came with the wheel option. It's better for motoring, but hogs the cockpit for happy hour. I would convert to a tiller, but the $$ is high.

Random thoughts, dispensed free, and worth about what you pay... along with all the other thoughts here.


FWIW, I have known of two owners of sisterships that changed from wheel to tiller, but they sail a lot, and our particular design is fast, responsive and a lot of fun to drive.

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Go with the tiller. The steering feel is vastly superior, and sailing with a tiller gives you feedback the wheel can't.
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If you think you can helm better with a tiller than a wheel it's a poor workman who blames his tools.
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tb, on a responsive boat a helmsman with good fingers can always steer better with a tiller than a wheel. The tiller transmits much more subtle information than a wheel ever will, which means less steering which means less drag from the rudder.

Of course it helps if you have the fingers of a safecracker, instead of gorilla paws.

Now, if you have to wrestle the helm against 8' seas and 40 knots for ten hours...that tiller's gonna get less attractive every minute. But you can't beat it for finesse in smooth water, and that's how one helmsman will beat another every time. Finesse.
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Hey Fast .. I know I can be relied on for great wisdom but in this case you are correct .. twern't me.

Tillers v Wheels, full Keels v fins, Rocna v the world at large, electric Dylan v acoustic ... why can't we all just get along ?

Mind you how anyone could think that steering a car and steering a sailing boat have anything much in common is quite beyond me.
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People keep repeating the contradictory advantages of a tiller as being "more sensitive" yet "steers straighter". Neither one is more or less "sensitive", it's all in the proficiency of the operator.
Sorry, shouldn't have distracted you with the automotive analogy, early cars had tillers. Just seems if they are more sensitive and steer straighter someone should take advantage of it and convert their Toyota.
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On second thought "never mind", tillers are great, everyone should get one on your next boat. If you can't find a boat over 30 feet with a tiller that's less than 30 years old, get that new boat converted. You'll be glad you did, modern boatbuilders must be stupid. They keep putting wheels in when everyone here could tell them how much better tillers are.
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Hmm. Spirits are fairly current. Also note that Perry has designed 60 foot tiller model that is soon to begin construction. All depends on the use.
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