Albin 30 Scampi

SwiftSlide · #1 (**permalink**) 03-30-2011

I'm looking for someone who can tell me the design of shroud chain plates
for 1977 Albin 30 (Scampi)

mitiempo · #2 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

Welcome to Sailnet.

I looked at buying a Scampi before I purchased my boat. The chainplates are attached to glassed in knees under the side deck and a few inches aft of the main bulkhead as I recall. What are you specifically asking?

SwiftSlide · #3 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

My son is looking at one and having trouble understanding the set up.
the picture I seeing has turnbuckle assembly from fitting that comes down into cabin from under deck. This turnbuckle attaches to eyes that emerge from inner side of hull, go up thru a hole in a shelf and to under deck fitting which shrouds are attached to.

As this is an older boat. 1977.......I am concerned about cracking, "crystalizing" , corrosion, or what have you on what seems is a metal bar glassed into hull.

So am trying to find out from folks experienced with this...what is material, eyes welded ? Etc. Any problems with them in past, etc.

I really appreciate your answering and hope you understand my retoric.

Thanks, Bob

mitiempo · #4 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

Any stainless buried in a deck or beam that is damp is suspect. Crevice corrosion is caused by moisture without oxygen, as in a wet deck. It would depend on whether the deck is wet or not. Unfortunately the only way to tell for sure is to pull the chainplates for inspection. Allow for this in your offer if you suspect moisture in the deck.

Is it the one at Ala Wai? It looks pretty good from the listing. Is the engine under the V-berth? That was the original location but the Universal wasn't the original engine.

SwiftSlide · #5 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

Yes and yes. Otherwise it does look to be in good shape.

I don't like the encapsulated metal bit, but am hoping to hear more from someone that has dealt with them.......so far seems no one else is concerned.
Kinda wonder why. The designers are pretty good so hoping they know something I don't.

Good chance we'll have a machine shop here that I've used before build some that will be fastened thru the hull .......but I haven't actually seen the whole thing myself yet

Thanks for your reply If I find out anything concrete I'll post it so the next guy can see it easily.

Bob

mitiempo · #6 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

I wouldn't modify them to bolt to the hull sides. They are inboard so the jib can be sheeted in closer to the centerline. If they are moved outboard you will give up the close winded ability of the boat somewhat.
Remember they have been in the deck for 34 years. Corrosion doesn't happen overnight. And as long as the deck is not wet there wouldn't be any corrosion to the hidden parts of the chainplates. If the deck is wet, the wet core should be removed where the chainplate enters and replaced with thickened epoxy, as well as where any other deck fitting is attached. If maintained properly and rebedded when necessary there should not be a problem.

SwiftSlide · #7 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

The fittings that go thru the deck are not really my concern as we can get a pretty good look at them and check for cracks, etc. I have put two links to pictures of the assembly......My concern is the forward/aft metal bar at lowest end of the"bottle type" turnbuckles inboard below decks where attached to hull free board near chine. This bar seems to have two eye hole tabs welded to it and then is glassed into the hull. My thoughts were to leave it in place but cut off tabs....place new bar and tabs drill a few bolts thru the hull side to secure the new bar 7 eye assembly.

All this ..if needed....just trying to be sure it is needed before doing it and would hate to do it if not needed.

Seems there are not that many of these boats around except for club in Sweden and so far not getting reply to my emails to Swedish speaking web site.

Again, Thanks Bob

Ala Wai Yacht Brokerage (Honolulu, HI)

Ala Wai Yacht Brokerage (Honolulu, HI)

mitiempo · #8 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

If it appears corroded I would be concerned but if not I wouldn't worry. If you do feel the need to replace it I certainly wouldn't drill holes in the hull. I would do it properly by glassing it over as was done originally. If it is bolted the bolts take all the load. Glassed over with epoxy and a few layers of biaxial roving the load is taken by a much larger area as designed.

Is the engine still under the V-berth?

SwiftSlide · #9 (**permalink**) 03-31-2011

That is kinda how I see it.....trouble is that getting the old ones out seems to mean pretty extensive damage to interior

In any case it looks like the owner is now not so sure he wants to sell it after all this stuff.....

Can't really say I blame him......I have a boat I love too....curse that we have.

Thanks for your help.

Bob