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From: Craig Smith

"If you know a test is to be run it is best to provide the anchor (sponsor). This way you can provide a tuned anchor you know is correct in every aspect, especially the correct tip shape and sharpness which is critical for immediate good test results. A number of tuned 10s and 15s, as well as Stowables, should be kept in stock for these occasions.....

As to the German "test", the results are bizarre and their analysis not consistent with their own graph, but I can't provide any answers until I see the test anchor. However, we have told you repeatedly that the Chinese anchors that you are shipping are NOT to spec, and we have yet to see one that is acceptable. I assume the anchor that the Germans tested suffers from the same problems. It should not have been provided; rather, send them a tuned sample ex CNC."


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"If you know a test is to be run it is best to provide the anchor (sponsor). This way you can provide a tuned anchor you know is correct in every aspect, especially the correct tip shape and sharpness which is critical for immediate good test results. A number of tuned 10s and 15s, as well as Stowables, should be kept in stock for these occasions.....

As to the German "test", the results are bizarre and their analysis not consistent with their own graph, but I can't provide any answers until I see the test anchor. However, we have told you repeatedly that the Chinese anchors that you are shipping are NOT to spec, and we have yet to see one that is acceptable. I assume the anchor that the Germans tested suffers from the same problems. It should not have been provided; rather, send them a tuned sample ex CNC."


http://www.bethandevans.com/pdf/rocnatext.pdf

It should be noted that this was an email from Peter Smith, not Craig, and from September 2009 WELL before the claimed "small number of anchors in 2010" that were below spec....


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Sorry, you are right about the email being from Peter Smith. I was mistake by this:

From: Craig Smith
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2009 9:00 PM
To: Tanya Le Fleming Burrow; Steve Bambury
Cc: Grant King; kiwiroasmith@rocna.com
Subject: RE: Problems with Rocna?

Some more fire here:

"Unfortunately it's not the first poor showing for Rocna in recent times and you're probably familiar with the results of the tests performed in Australia comparing the Rocna with the new Excel from Sarca under the guidance of the NSW Maritime Safety association?

They made a straight shoot out between the two and the result was they ate us for breakfast and this has given the Aussie market a shake up to our detriment as the endorsement of Maritime Safety gives it a high credibility! Are we to assume that this testing is flawed also? Can we have some comments from Peter please?"


This seems to be from a Rocna dealer or a regional Rocna responsible.

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Again, trying to be objective...we probably need to know more about the license/manufacture relationship between the Smiths and HoldFast before anyone says that Peter is "lying" to the public - at least regarding the out-of-spec anchors and the spec data on the website at the time.

The quote above regarding the weaker anchors is him telling HF that the anchors being manufactured/shipped at that time "are NOT to spec". That doesn't necessarily imply any complicity on the part of the Smiths. In fact it might be the opposite...him telling them to NOT manufacture/ship anymore anchors that are not to spec (which we now know that they did). Who knows? It all depends on his contractual power in that situation under the licensing agreement.

On the other hand, it DOES show that, as Maine points out, that the Smiths knew about this problem well before the timeline laid out in the most recent press release and WM notice. So, it's still bad.

If they want to save this company, the had sure better come clean on all of it.
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A tuned anchor? WTF? A reliable test should start with a randomly chosen anchor from a regular chandelry.
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A tuned anchor? WTF? A reliable test should start with a randomly chosen anchor from a regular chandelry.
Ah...but a tuned one sings a far better song.
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Ah...but a tuned one sings a far better song.
Is this standard practice in the industry? In other words, do other manufacturers do the same for these tests?

As maine said above, it seems to me that the testing authority is the one that needs to insist on the terms. Otherwise, what's wrong with doing what you can to make sure the results are as good as they can be? If it's not against the rules, it's not against the rules.
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Holy crap! This whole Rocna thing just gets nastier and nastier. Now it looks like bribes were flying to try to get Rina certification:

Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific - Page 78 - Yachting and Boating World Forums

It seems there was no one clean in this whole debacle.
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I can't follow how this implicates CMP.
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I can't follow how this implicates CMP.
It doesn't. But if Grant's comment about bribing RINA officials is accurate (e.g. - they accepted the money under the pretenses of providing certification), it certainly seems to implicate RINA.
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