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Dyneema lifelines

Replaced my lifelines (coating cracked every inch or so, lots of rust coming through) with dyneema today. Thought I'd share the experience with others considering the same change.

I used 3/16-inch amsteel-blue, which is single-braid dyneema. I put a Brummel splice in each end. The end that attaches to the pulpit has a nylon thimble and will be lashed to a SS eye on the pulpit; this lashing was supposed to provide 6:1 purchase to get adequate tension in the lifeline. The eye at the other end of the line was left thimble-less; the holes in my stanchions are big enough to fit a thimble-less eye through, so my thinking was that I would take the lifelines out (at the end of the season? after every sail) to prolong their life. The "soft" end was to be connected to the stern rail with a soft shackle of the same dyneema. The lashings are 1/8-inch double braid with a dyneema core. All of the components together were about $70 at WM.

And the results are in!



And here are my thoughts.

First, I realized partway thought that I would not be able to release the lifelines by the soft shackles once tensioned. Oops. This is not a really big deal for me, since the finger dock in my slip doesn't reach the cockpit anyway :P

Second, I mis-measured one of the lifelines and had to run it to a more distant eye on the pulpit, and the lashings weren't long enough. I want the lashings to give at least a threefold purchase to tension the lines.

Third, the lines are brand new and yet already look "hairy". This is a bit disconcerting since I understand that hairiness is a sign that the lines are wearing out. They got this way during splicing. I'd love to see photos of other people's single-braid dyneema to see how it looks after some period of time.

Fourth, splicing this stuff is very very easy compared to double-braid. I did one eye splice following the Colligo Marine video and the procedure is now memorized. Ditto for the soft shackle, though I used the measurements from the calculator on l-36.com. On the other hand I have done about half a dozen splices in double-braid so far and I still need to follow instructions. The hardest thing has definitely turned out to be the measurements and planning (especially as I'm totally ignorant of proper rigging techniques). This was a sort of trial run to see what I'd be getting into if I decide to replace the standing rigging with dyneema, and now I have a much better idea.

Anyway if anybody else has done a similar project, I'd love to hear about it; if you're thinking of it, I'd say go for it!
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Adam, congrats on your project. What's the word on dyneema chafing through the stanchions?
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I have been thinking of doing this the next time I replace lifelines in a few years. How do you prevent chafe at the hole entry exit of the stachion? Does a difference in temp change the length. How abot attaching fenders to them? Keep us updated on this
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We use dyneema around the cockpit, but be aware that if you're racing PIYA or ISAF sanctioned events, you cannot use dyneema where people are hiking. Also, where you connect wire to a pulpit, the length of the lashings cannot exceed 4". Can't quite recall the strength that the lashings are required to hold, but it's substantial. I'll look it up if anyone wants to know. For cruising, it doesn't matter and is all good. Just a heads up if it's relevant. Adam, it's certainly a great upgrade from your old covered lifelines!

(Heat has no effect on length)
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If your splicing is causing wear, couldn't you just use bowline knots at the end? That Amsteel Blue is rated 5400lbs so with a bowline you have half the rating, 2700lbs, still sufficient I would think. If not go up a size to 1/4", 8400 lbs or 4200 with the knots. Guess the big question is will it hold a bowline, it's very slippery.

How to avoid wear at the rope to stantion connection is another question.
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I've had my Dyneema lifelines on Zanshin for a year now and there is no wear and tear, but in those places where I didn't clean the stanchions sufficiently I have some rust stains that I haven't really tried to remove as I'm not sure if the chemicals in the usual rust removers might not attack Dyneema.
I retighten the lashings once a season and that's all I need to do.



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I haven't even tried a bowline because of how slippery the line is.

As for chafe at the stanchions holes, well, we'll see. The holes are a lot bigger than the line and rounded a bit at the orifices... I'll try to get a photo today.

I'm disinclined to hang fenders off them. Currently my fenders are tied to the stanchion bases, which has its own attendant problems, but the "hairiness" of the line scares me a bit and I want to avoid avoidable chafe.

As for racing rules, well, I have done very little racing. One of the reasons I did the upgrade now is because I'm thinking of entering a singlehanded race in a few weeks and I don't think my own lifelines would have passed inspection, as they were quite saggy with no room left at the turnbuckles to tighten them further.

I'll post again as things change. My next step will be to reinstall the pelican hooks from the old lifelines so that the new lines can be unhooked under tension. This will also shorten up the lashings quite a bit, I think to 2-3 inches, which I'll feel better about.
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If your splicing is causing wear, couldn't you just use bowline knots at the end? That Amsteel Blue is rated 5400lbs so with a bowline you have half the rating, 2700lbs, still sufficient I would think. If not go up a size to 1/4", 8400 lbs or 4200 with the knots. Guess the big question is will it hold a bowline, it's very slippery.

How to avoid wear at the rope to stantion connection is another question.
MarkSF, dyneema needs to be spliced. it's too slick for a bowline.
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Got some photos one of the lifelines passing through the stanchion. I picked the one near the bow where it makes a sharper angle.

From the front:


From abaft:


I have been thinking of taking a short bit of cheap double-braid, removing the core, and cutting the cover up into little two-inch-long sections to put over the lifelines at the stanchions.

Also in these photos you can really see the hairiness. I'm wondering if it's because I left the rope coiled in a cloth bag for a week or so in between buying it and installing it. Hm.
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I used amsteel on my last boat ( about 4 yrs ago ) with CS Johnson splice line hardwear, Plan on doing the same on our current boat soon.

You should get 4-5yrs out of it, maybe longer before you should replace it

Looks great BTW
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