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Best VHF radio?

I am looking to replace a pre-1998 VHF radio with something that can do DSC. I also want something where i can use a full-function remote. I also want the ability to wire up a foghorn since I may go up toward Maine at some point. So far, I have seen:
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Anyone have any experience with any of these radios? Any advice?
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I am looking to replace a pre-1998 VHF radio with something that can do DSC. I also want something where i can use a full-function remote. I also want the ability to wire up a foghorn since I may go up toward Maine at some point. So far, I have seen:
Standard Horizon Matrix
Icom 504


Anyone have any experience with any of these radios? Any advice?
I have SH GX2150 with RAM 3 mic. It works well and also has AIS.

Any radio with DSC should have a GPS connected to it, or you're losing out on 80% of the benefit of DSC.
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Hello,

All fixed mount VHF radios sold since 1999 must have DSC.

Just about all fixed mount radios can support a remote mic.

I have had a few Standard Horizon radios and I am happy with them. Note that the remote mic is wired to the main radio. That means an extra wire to run, but no batteries to worry about.

If you are price sensitive there are sub $100 radios out there. For a little more money you get features like display of boat speed and course, dual or tri watch, etc.

The latest radio from Standard Horizon can decode AIS broadcasts and display the AIS information on the radio screen as well as output it via NMEA 0183.

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The latest radio from Standard Horizon can decode AIS broadcasts and display the AIS information on the radio screen as well as output it via NMEA 0183.

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Just about all fixed mount radios can support a remote mic.
I don't know about "just about all," but many of them can. For example: The Icom M402 did. The M412 does not. The M422 does.

You have to check.

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The latest radio from Standard Horizon can decode AIS broadcasts and display the AIS information on the radio screen as well as output it via NMEA 0183.
The Matrix AIS and AIS+ (GX2100 and GX2150, respectively) do this.

Some of the Standard Horizon radios have a misfeature of which you should be aware: They only scan for weather alerts if weather alert is enabled and the weather channel of interest is tagged for scanning and you're actively scanning. If you're stopped on a channel (other than the weather channel) and a weather alert arrives, you won't get it. The Quest-X GX1500S (now out-of-production) and Explorer GX2000 are two SH models that behave this way. (Confirmed by SH.)

You have to read the user's manuals carefully to discern the difference.

As for "best marine VHF radio": Couldn't say. Several years ago, during Yet Another VHF Radio discussion, a sailor allowed as how he'd carefully checked everything that was out there, in a given price range, and found that Icom and Standard Horizon radios had by far the best receive audio. As an ex-radio guy I can tell you that's a more important criterion in a two-way radio than you might believe. All the bells and whistles and big, impressive displays and switches and knobs and doo-dads and output power and antenna height won't mean spit if you cannot hear and understand what the guy on the other end is saying.

I know from my ham radio days that Icom was always one of the better brands of radios. (In fact: I'm pretty sure all the radios I have downstairs I never use anymore are Icom rigs.)

So I've limited my research to Icom and Standard Horizon radios. I've no need of AIS at this time, and money is tight (no room for "just because I want it"s), so I'm looking at either the Standard Horizon GX1600 (successor to the GX1500S, and has proper wx alert monitoring) or Icom M422.

The SH is about $50-$75 less expensive. It has a bigger display. Reading the user's manual: The SH strikes me as having the more intuitive operation.

The Icom has better listed receiver sensitivity. This is a Very Good Thing. The Icom simply "looks" more rugged, to me. And the Icom is, well, an Icom .

They can both take a RAM (Remote Access Mic).

So you pays your nickel and you takes your chances.

I haven't made a final decision, but I'm leaning toward the Standard Horizon Explorer GX1600. If I had the money to burn, I might consider the Matrix GX2100. (I believe it also handles wx alert monitoring properly.)

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Any radio with DSC should have a GPS connected to it, or you're losing out on 80% of the benefit of DSC.
Wouldn't that be more like 99-44/100%? With no position information in the DSC call, well...

The most recent issue of the BoatUS magazine had an article about DSC. It seems that a lot of people have GPS', and a lot of people have DSC-capable radios, but many don't have the GPS hooked to the radio, or haven't done so properly.

We have a perfectly good radio, but its pre-DSC. I intend to fix that this year.

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Wouldn't that be more like 99-44/100%? With no position information in the DSC call, well...

The most recent issue of the BoatUS magazine had an article about DSC. It seems that a lot of people have GPS', and a lot of people have DSC-capable radios, but many don't have the GPS hooked to the radio, or haven't done so properly.

We have a perfectly good radio, but its pre-DSC. I intend to fix that this year.

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Yes, if the GPS is not connected you have to manually input your GPS coordinates, which is exactly what you do not want to be doing in an emergency situation! I said 80% because you can still call another vessel directly by inputting its MMSI even if your GPS is not connected (I think), but you do lose 99% of your emergency capability. I noticed that if my GPS is not turned on, my GX2150 has an alarm that kicks in every 5 minutes telling me to enter the coordinates manually. So I've now hotwired the GPS puck to the radio circuit so that it's always on if the radio is on.

I saw that BoatUS article. It's pretty scary, especially if people think they have DSC capabilities that aren't there when an emergency hits.

Click here for my very geeky writeup of my VHF/AIS/GPS/chartplotter/Bluetooth installation.
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Best VHF radio?
Don't know what does it mean by the best. The best for me is most likely not the best for you. But I do like Standard Horizon's product and its warranty- full warranty for the first 3 years and followed by the flat rate life time warranty. If they can't fix it or yours is too old, they will replace yours with a new comparable refurbished model.

Hey.......... that is not a bad deal.
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I like the look of Icom gear. Seems to me simple and easy to use, clear display. We have both VHF and SSB/HF but I only have a day or so experience thus far.
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...Some of the Standard Horizon radios have a misfeature of which you should be aware: They only scan for weather alerts if weather alert is enabled and the weather channel of interest is tagged for scanning and you're actively scanning. If you're stopped on a channel (other than the weather channel) and a weather alert arrives, you won't get it. The Quest-X GX1500S (now out-of-production) and Explorer GX2000 are two SH models that behave this way. (Confirmed by SH.) ...I haven't made a final decision, but I'm leaning toward the Standard Horizon Explorer GX1600. If I had the money to burn, I might consider the Matrix GX2100. (I believe it also handles wx alert monitoring properly.)...
I can confirm that my GX2150 handles the alerts properly. We launched on a Wednesday - the first time we used the radio. We were not scanning - we wee stopped on Ch 16. We got a piercing weather alert alarm that scared the crap out of us. It turned out to be their routine Wednesday test.

The GX2000/2150 manual also says that the alerts will work when using another channel. You do not have to be scanning.
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