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Yup... a holder for the (illegal in Canada) old horseshoe buoys. DON"T throw it out. At least cut it into pieces and keep them. It never hurts to have some pieces of SS rod around.
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Any idea why they were outlawed ?

What do you use ?

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Any idea why they were outlawed ?

What do you use ?

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I may also be able to answer.

They are not outlawed. You could carry one, but to meet the requirements, you need a lifering with 15 m of floating line attached. And in some cases a strobe needs to be attached.



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I'm still curious why a lifering is considered superior to a horseshoe bouy.


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I'm still curious why a lifering is considered superior to a horseshoe bouy.
I am quite sure horseshoe buoys are not SOLAS approved.

http://www.pomorci.com/Propisi/80-10...Brakocevic.pdf

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I am quite sure horseshoe buoys are not SOLAS approved.

http://www.pomorci.com/Propisi/80-10...Brakocevic.pdf
By this definition, it most certainly wouldn't be approved. However, the standard was clearly written with the author envisioning and describing a lifering. I'm not sure that really answers why a lifering is considered superior. I suspect that it is just bureaucracy and the horseshoe simply wasn't considered.

I've mostly found SOLAS approved devices to be notably superior (eg flares), so this one is perplexing.


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By this definition, it most certainly wouldn't be approved. However, the standard was clearly written with the author envisioning and describing a lifering. I'm not sure that really answers why a lifering is considered superior. I suspect that it is just bureaucracy and the horseshoe simply wasn't considered.

I've mostly found SOLAS approved devices to be notably superior (eg flares), so this one is perplexing.
This posting may have an answer. http://www.sailnet.com/forums/off-to...tml#post563988

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Have you ever tried to throw a horseshoe buoy into the wind. It will not go very far, I believe that is why here in Canada you must use the hard ring.

When they first came out I thought they were pretty dumb cause it would hurt like heck if you got hit on the head. Then realized you could throw them pretty far and the chances of hitting someone were small with a little care.

This summer we picked up three sailors from a swamped boat and I was able to throw the ring about 50 feet or maybe more with a line attached to it (upwind) and then pull them in. Try that with a horseshoe.

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Another answer from Transport Canada

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Why are horseshoe buoys not approved for use in Canada when they are approved
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The “horseshoe” lifebuoy, due to its light construction does not allow an accurate
throw on a windy day. Also, with this type of lifebuoy, the person who fell
overboard must attach him/herself to it with the help of two clips. If the water is
too cold, that person will have difficulty clipping the two lanyards together (due
to numb fingers). If he/she cannot attach him/herself to the lifebuoy and stay
afloat, that person has a greater chance to slip away from the lifebuoy and drown
before the rescue arrives.
http://www.ccga-m.ca/Documents/PDF/P...Q&A%202008.pdf

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I don’t think that one is necessarily better than the other, they just use two different approaches to a MOB situation. Is a Lifesling an alternative to the ring in Canada? My concerns with the “Canadian” technique is being able to throw out the ring the full fifty feet from a pitching cockpit and the MOB grabbing it before the boat gets more than fifty feet away. If “Oscar” doesn’t snag the ring right away, then you are using the lifesling technique to lasso the swimmer before reeling him in. With the MOB pole and horseshoe untethered, you do get a rally point for your second pass. I believe that the MOM-8 is SOLAS approved and that is an (inflatable) horseshoe.
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Throwability. Guess that must be it. However, I don't recall seeing anything in the SOLAS standards that would necessarily require it be easily thrown.


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I may also be able to answer.

They are not outlawed. You could carry one, but to meet the requirements, you need a lifering with 15 m of floating line attached. And in some cases a strobe needs to be attached.



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Yes...and from what I understand (but I could be wrong), the line is not required to be secured to the boat. My feeling is under most circumstances, unless the reaction time is very very quick or the vessel is moving very slowly, by the time the person drops what they're doing un-hooks the ring, tosses it, and the MOB makes his way to the ring, it will likely be dragging away from him long before he gets to it rendering it pretty much useless. rightly or wrongly, I have the line attached to the ring but not the boat so it meets the requirements but still works as a floatation device for the MOB in what I think would be a more common situation I would run into.


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