My Tiller is splintering - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Gear & Maintenance
 Not a Member? 
  #1  
Old 07-11-2011
rbrasi's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Henderson, NV
Posts: 512
Thanks: 3
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 4
rbrasi is on a distinguished road
My Tiller is splintering

The old girl is coming apart and I want a solid replacement. I lean heavily on her when I scull in and out of my slip. I could go the easy and costly route by ordering a custom size from WM, but I would rather tap the infinite knowledge base that is Sailnet. I went to Minney's in Costa Mesa, but there were none my size. Here are the deets:
56 3/4" Length
2 1/4" Hight
2" Width

I would prefer the same size, give or take. Is there a commonly known vendor for this?
__________________
1968 Cal 2-30
Sandpiper 2
MDR
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 07-11-2011
mitiempo's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
Posts: 7,071
Thanks: 0
Thanked 68 Times in 59 Posts
Rep Power: 7
mitiempo will become famous soon enough mitiempo will become famous soon enough
Every boat is a bit different.

You could laminate one from alternating strips of ash and mahogany and then shape it. Use epoxy, coat in epoxy and varnish after that. Material costs aren't high and it would be a work of art.
__________________
Brian
Living aboard in Victoria Harbour
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 07-11-2011
mstern's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 682
Thanks: 8
Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Rep Power: 13
mstern is on a distinguished road
H&L Marine Woodworking is the default for me. They make really nice tillers. I have bought two replacements from them (the 112F model), and have been very happy. H&L is available from many different places, but when buying my replacment tillers, I found that Defender consistently had the lowest prices for tillers.

I note that both this site and sailboatowners.com also sell tillers. I have bought stuff from both sites and have been very impressed with the quality of the customer service.

btw, I wouldn't get too hung up on a direct replacement. When I bought my first curved H&L tiller, it was a big change from the straight stick that had been there. Better in every way.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 07-11-2011
tommays's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,236
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 6
tommays will become famous soon enough
The H&L Marine Woodworking is the way to go
__________________
1970 Cal 29 Sea Fever

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1981 J24 Tangent 2930
Tommays
Northport NY


If a dirty bottom slows you down what do you think it does to your boat
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 07-11-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 218
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 4
MikeWhy is on a distinguished road
Is there no chance that it can be repaired successfully, with confidence that it will be as strong as new? I'm asking this more as a question than as a suggestion. Properly cured glue is reputedly stronger than the wood around it. Glue it; maybe reinforce with steel straps let into the underside, or both top and bottom; and then wrapped with a layer of 'glass? I almost think a couple of squirts of urethane glue and good clamps will do it.

Last edited by MikeWhy; 07-11-2011 at 02:59 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 07-11-2011
ilikerust's Avatar
1968 Pearson Wanderer 30
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 212
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
ilikerust is on a distinguished road
Knowing the amount of force that often is on my tiller, I wouldn't want to be relying on PU glue to hold it together where it previously broke.

As you note "properly cured" glue - depending on what kind of glue we're talking about - typically is stronger than the wood around it. That also requires a properly prepared surface for the glue joint, proper clamping pressure and proper (optimal) conditions (such as humidity, temp and cleanliness of the surfaces being glued).

And the fact that the glue is stronger than the wood adjacent to it means only that when the joint fails, it will do so adjacent to the glue line, rather than on the glue line itself. The wood adjacent to the glue joint will crack and split away and remain firmly glued to the glue joint.

It seems to me it depends on what kind of failure we're talking here (delamination versus a jacked, splintered break?).

But in general, if my tiller cracks or breaks, I almost certainly would just make another one - and perhaps reinforce the area down near the rudder head with a wrap of epoxy-infused fiberglass.
__________________
- Bill T.
- Richmond, VA

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
- Mark Twain
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 07-11-2011
tommays's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,236
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 6
tommays will become famous soon enough
As much as i like making stuff when you can buy a nicely finished laminated tiller for 85 dollars YOU really have to have a bunch of GOOD wood laying around for free
__________________
1970 Cal 29 Sea Fever

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1981 J24 Tangent 2930
Tommays
Northport NY


If a dirty bottom slows you down what do you think it does to your boat
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 07-11-2011
mitiempo's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
Posts: 7,071
Thanks: 0
Thanked 68 Times in 59 Posts
Rep Power: 7
mitiempo will become famous soon enough mitiempo will become famous soon enough
True, but only small strips are required, the right length of course. It is one of the easiier items to make for a boat. Now a wheel, that would be tougher.
__________________
Brian
Living aboard in Victoria Harbour
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 07-11-2011
ilikerust's Avatar
1968 Pearson Wanderer 30
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 212
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
ilikerust is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommays View Post
As much as i like making stuff when you can buy a nicely finished laminated tiller for 85 dollars YOU really have to have a bunch of GOOD wood laying around for free
Which I do (having been um, "collecting" (i.e., hoarding) wood for many years now).

Plus it would be a fun and easy project, and I could customize it and have a tiller that is not just "off the shelf" like everyone else's.
__________________
- Bill T.
- Richmond, VA

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
- Mark Twain
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 07-11-2011
mitiempo's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
Posts: 7,071
Thanks: 0
Thanked 68 Times in 59 Posts
Rep Power: 7
mitiempo will become famous soon enough mitiempo will become famous soon enough
My thoughts exactly.
__________________
Brian
Living aboard in Victoria Harbour
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
s2 6.7 tiller heybuddy S2 1 09-13-2010 10:07 PM
Advice for repair of tiller pilot->tiller connection jgsteven Gear & Maintenance 2 09-11-2009 04:53 PM
Cal 34 Tiller pmt200 Cal 0 11-28-2007 11:53 PM
Tiller JMATTICKS Gear & Maintenance 2 07-18-2001 08:51 PM
help. need tiller drquarles General Discussion (sailing related) 3 07-17-2001 04:55 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:51 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.