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I don't. But I do have firsthand knowledge of the original CQR. It was an ok anchor 30 years ago. It is not a great anchor compared to its competition in recent years. If you're desire is to save money why not buy a copy of a better anchor - the Rocna.

The copy is the Manson Supreme. The Manson Supreme: Super High Holding Power

You are trusting it with your boat. It is not an item to skimp on.

Do you really think that a copy at 1/6 of the price is comparable to the original?
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Sailboat Anchors - Rocna Anchor and CQR Anchor

A new anchor test by YACHT magazine!.., Member Ancoralatina
A new anchor test has been published in the July Issue of the German Nautical magazine YACHT. Unfortunately… in German!.. Just a few notes: - Anchors have been tested in three different sea bottoms: Sand – marl/gravel – Mud. - They have been using a Bavaria 38 sailing boat which is equipped with a Volvo engine D1-30, 20,1 kW / 27,3 hp, not powerful enough to give strong pulls, they have set the upper limit to 250 daN but they say that it is in the range of effort that can be measured with force 5 to 6 wind.. - Two winners with four stars are the Kobra II (198 euros) and the Supreme one ( 387 Euros) - The Rocna achieved only 2 stars for a price of Euros 440………. - Supreme ; In sand hold up to the limit 250 daN - in marl/gravel hold up to the limit 250 daN and set uncertainly at 150 DaN in Mud Rocna: In sand hold up to the limit 250 daN – doesn’t set in marl/gravel – set badly in mud
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How did the Norestar do in the test?

Or the original CQR?

There is probably a test out there that shows any recognized anchor to be the best in a particular instance. Practical experience from many actual users has shown the Rocna/Manson Supreme design anchor to be one of the best types available, surpassing many of the older gen anchors such as the CQR type. Real use is worth more than any test.

Search Sailnet as this has been covered many times in the past - you will find many posts and threads covering this subject.
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Yes, I agree the anchor tests can give varied results depending on who is conducting the test, however I am a fan of the CQR. I used a 60lb CQR on our 41 Morgan for 8 years while crusing from MD to the keys and throughout the Bahamas. I've seen lots of test results, you tube videos, and various sailors comments on the CQR. However, in all my 8 years of cruising and anchoring in many different types of bottoms, If I Set the CQR, IT NEVER DRUG! So if someone wants to tell me that there is a better anchor I don't care. How can you get better than never dragging?
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Setting faster. All the time. In a very short distance. And on a tide change re-setting just as fast.

I have a genuine CQR and it will be backup to a Manson Supreme or Rocna.
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Mitiempo....that is a good point.
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"Do you really think that a copy at 1/6 of the price is comparable to the original? "
Doesn't that depend on whether the clone guys told their foundry to use cheaper steel? (WEG)

You know, lightweight Danforth skips just like a fishing lure behind a sailboat moving at any reasonable speed.
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"Do you really think that a copy at 1/6 of the price is comparable to the original? "
Doesn't that depend on whether the clone guys told their foundry to use cheaper steel? (WEG)

You know, lightweight Danforth skips just like a fishing lure behind a sailboat moving at any reasonable speed.
A lot of expensive stuff with a high reputation is only expensive because they can get away with charging high prices. This is especially the case for items that have come off of patent protection.

While the patent was in place, they were the only game in town and could charge pretty much what they wanted. Afterwards, the attitude of "how do you know if its quality is the same" keeps the cheaper alternatives down.

Do you think another company couldn't make Viagra for less than $15 a pill.

And you're risking a much more important "item" than your boat in that case!
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Sailboat Anchors - Rocna Anchor and CQR Anchor

A new anchor test by YACHT magazine!.., Member Ancoralatina
A new anchor test has been published in the July Issue of the German Nautical magazine YACHT. Unfortunately… in German!.. Just a few notes: - Anchors have been tested in three different sea bottoms: Sand – marl/gravel – Mud. - They have been using a Bavaria 38 sailing boat which is equipped with a Volvo engine D1-30, 20,1 kW / 27,3 hp, not powerful enough to give strong pulls, they have set the upper limit to 250 daN but they say that it is in the range of effort that can be measured with force 5 to 6 wind.. - Two winners with four stars are the Kobra II (198 euros) and the Supreme one ( 387 Euros) - The Rocna achieved only 2 stars for a price of Euros 440………. - Supreme ; In sand hold up to the limit 250 daN - in marl/gravel hold up to the limit 250 daN and set uncertainly at 150 DaN in Mud Rocna: In sand hold up to the limit 250 daN – doesn’t set in marl/gravel – set badly in mud
You need to take that data with a grain of salt. Ancoralatina was Alain Poiraud who was a direct and fierce competitor to Rocna & Manson. He invented the Spade anchor which is also an excellent anchor. Alain & the Smiths of Rocna battled head to head for years. Any chance Alain had to potentially discredit the Rocna or Manson he did..

There was a bent CQR knock off in the boat yard dumpster a while back. Did not pay attention to the brand..

This was a cheap knock off to a Bruce:
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A lot of expensive stuff with a high reputation is only expensive because they can get away with charging high prices. This is especially the case for items that have come off of patent protection.

While the patent was in place, they were the only game in town and could charge pretty much what they wanted. Afterwards, the attitude of "how do you know if its quality is the same" keeps the cheaper alternatives down.



Please show us even ONE Bruce knock off that is heat treated high tensile cast steel. Just one....

Please show us even one CQR knock off built to the SAME construction quality of a genuine CQR which is drop forged... Just one...

The reason the knock offs are sooooo much cheaper is because they are built cheaper and less strong..

Some of the knock off Bruce anchors are actually brittle cast iron.. I don't know of any that are heat treated high tensile cast steel as the original Bruce was. Peter Bruce refuse to "cheapen" his product to compete so he simply stopped selling the Bruce in small sizes. He let the vultures sell inferior junk if that is what the market wanted...
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Rocna

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ROCNA ANCHORS Fixed-Shank Scoop Anchors at West Marine


10/17/2011

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73 lb Rocna By Rum Line II from St. Augustine
Comments about Rocna Anchors Fixed Shank Scoop Anchors:
I got a Rocna 72 lb unit for my 46' sailboat. I have been happy with the performance of the anchor so far, it has been in use for one season (6 month in the Bahamas) I have now received a Product Notice, stating that the metal used in Rocna anchor was produced with steel of a lesser grade then advertised. My problem is that the anchor has been fine in the past but I have not had any extreme conditions for its use. There is a possibility that this Rocna will fail in rough weather conditions.
Although the PRODUCT NOTICE says I can return the Rocna anchor to West Marine for a refund, I am left wondering about the other expenses incurred in the purchasing of the Rocna. Shipping expense was a lot because of the weight. My Anchor launching system had to be altered to accommodate the size, weight and design of the Rocna. Granted it was my choice to do this retrofit to my sailboat but it was done based on the configuration and specs provided to me by West Marine and Rocna. According to their testing, the Rocna was superior to most of the anchors available.
I must admit I'm very disappointed with this purchase of the Rocna now, as well as West Marine for not doing there due diligence of research on the product.
I do not know what will rectify this situation.
Do I keep the anchor knowing that the Rocna may let me down at some time in the future?
Do I change the Rocna for a different brand and eat the expense of changing? …….
Maybe West Marine would retest the Rocna's in question and provide the tolerances to the owners, so we can make an intelligent decision to keep it or return it….

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