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If they are chrome winches, you are going to have trouble adding texture to them without damaging the chrome. If they are stainless, you can tape off the part you don't want textured and sand blast the rest.

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I talked to Allen Hutton with Hutton-Arco Winches in Australia, and his recommendation was to de-chrome the winches, knurl the gripping surface and re-chrome. The chrome will be destroyed and flake off if knurling is attempted without de chroming.
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GREETINGS EARTHLINGS; You can takeyoiur drums to a machine shop and ask them to knerl them for you. That is the name of the process of putting littel dimaonds on to the grip as found on some hand wrenches and spanners the main cost is to set up the drum on the lathe. GOOD LUCK GO SAFE
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I talked to Allen Hutton with Hutton-Arco Winches in Australia, and his recommendation was to de-chrome the winches, knurl the gripping surface and re-chrome. The chrome will be destroyed and flake off if knurling is attempted without de chroming.
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IIRC your winches are chromed BRONZE - if so, why pay all that money to rechrome them? Have it removed and polish them - they will be gorgeous, cheaper and you won't have to get it done again in a few years. Chrome plating has no place on a boat IMHO - it will ALWAYS pit, peel, wear through and generally fail. The best quality plating will only last a little longer. Bronze is the ultimate marine metal. They have found bronze pieces from ancient Rome in the Med that are in virtually perfect condition under the coating of verdigris.
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GREETINGS EARTHLINGS; You can takeyoiur drums to a machine shop and ask them to knerl them for you. That is the name of the process of putting littel dimaonds on to the grip as found on some hand wrenches and spanners the main cost is to set up the drum on the lathe. GOOD LUCK GO SAFE
I have access to a full machine shop at my work place including lathes and knurling equipment. My only Issue is re chroming because the knurling process will kill the finish on existing chrome. I am going to do something this winter to improve the performance of my primaries. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Any high school metal shop has the necessary stuff to do this. Chat up the local shop teacher ( he probably is building a boat in his yard) and see if he has a bright live wire in one of his classes that needs a project. Been there! And go for the bronze, it is more classy!
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Just a followup for anyone who is interested. On these Barient winches (22's, 24's and 28's), there are compression springs that supply the gripping force on the self tailers. These springs allow the self tailers to adjust to different sizes of line. Apparantly, my springs have fatigued over the years and do not supply sufficient gripping force. I replaced the springs with spacers to test. This kept the self tailer from opening for a larger line. Bottom line (bad pun, sorry) is, the line grips securely and will tension properly while grinding without slipping. Thanks for all the help and advice! Now I need to find replacement springs so they will adjust properly; either that or standardize my line sizes so they do not have to adjust.
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Just a followup for anyone who is interested. On these Barient winches (22's, 24's and 28's), there are compression springs that supply the gripping force on the self tailers. These springs allow the self tailers to adjust to different sizes of line. Apparantly, my springs have fatigued over the years and do not supply sufficient gripping force. I replaced the springs with spacers to test. This kept the self tailer from opening for a larger line. Bottom line (bad pun, sorry) is, the line grips securely and will tension properly while grinding without slipping. Thanks for all the help and advice! Now I need to find replacement springs so they will adjust properly; either that or standardize my line sizes so they do not have to adjust.
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I didn't contribute anything here, because I don't know much about selftailers. But I was wondering about all the comments about the drums being too smooth. I used to be an electrician and we used a Greenlee wire puller, which looks a lot like a sailboat winch. The drum was aluminum and smooth, and ours was worn an 1/8" or more smaller. For it to pull in several hundred feet of rope without a cross over the coils had to climb the wider part of the drum and slip the all the coils sideways towards the smaller end. That wouldn't happen with a knurled drum. We would pull with so much force on a 3/4" nylon line that water would bead up on the surface! Sometimes we even broke them, but because all the rope was inside the pipe the snap back was contained. So I am happy to hear you've figured out the tailer is the real issue.

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I love my Andersen winches just because the drum is smooth for vertical but resists motion around the winch. They have "speed bumps" that run up and down and let the rope slip up but resists slipping the other way. That said, the Barient winches that have the texture work better imho than the ones that are completely smooth, particularly with wet line.
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What number are the winches?

I didn't see any mention of the model number of your Barient winches. I have Barient winches as well (36 Primaries, 32 Secondaries, 28 mainsheet/furlers/halyards, and 23 halyards). Occasionally I will take my headsail furling line to the Barient 32 secondaries, because they are more conveniently located for one person to tail the sheet and crank the furler, and under load they will slip due to the line being just a bit too small for the self-tailer. you want a very snug fit--the top and bottom half should move apart significantly when you snug the line in. btw, these winch drums are almost completely smooth after 29 years and still going strong! if you do rework them, they should be re-chromed by a professional shop.
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