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cgha33 10-03-2003 12:37 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
I''m in the midst of buying another boat, and I plan to paint its topsides -- and perhaps the deck, too -- for next sailing season.

In November, when I haul the boat for the winter (I live in Annapolis), I''d like to begin sanding, filling cracks, etc.

Is there any reason I cannot do this over the winter (on suitable days, of course), leaving only the priming and final coats for the Spring?

I won''t cause any harm to the fiberglass leaving it so exposed, will I?

Thoughts/comments???

sailingfool 10-03-2003 01:58 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
One issue is that fillers are harder to work with in cool weather (below 60). See http://www.westsystem.com/webpages/userinfo/moreinfo/coldtemp.htm for instructions on how epoxy can be used. When you''ve read this article, you might decide it makes more sense to do such work in the Spring.

I assume from your question (I apologize if I''m wrong) that you haven''t done this before. I gotta say in that case, I hope your new boat is neither too big nor too expensive. Frankly the the best amateur paint job I''ve ever seen was so-so, and the worst was shockingly awful. I recently painted a son''s 10 foot turnabout and the results were in somewhere in the middle (the next one will be so-so!), but ok for a $1800 boat. Be sure so-so would be good enough...
Good luck.

cgha33 10-04-2003 02:59 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Nope...you are incorrect.

I painted my soon-former sailboat, a 28-footer, in 2002. Did the two-part Awlgrip, and it really turned out very nice.

The boat yard owners would even bring around other boatowners and show them just how good a job an amateur can do IF you take the time to do the prep work correctly. It turned out to be a one-foot paint job...let me give myself a pat on the back!

The reason I asked the question, though, is because I greatly underestimated the length of time the project would take, and consequently, didn''t get my boat back in the water until late-June...and that''s what I would like to avoid by starting on the project over the winter on nice days.

And because the my "new" boat is a 38-footer, I know it will take even more time.

Michael

cgha33 10-04-2003 02:59 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Nope...you are incorrect.

I painted my soon-former sailboat, a 28-footer, in 2002. Did the two-part Awlgrip, and it really turned out very nice.

The boat yard owners would even bring around other boatowners and show them just how good a job an amateur can do IF you take the time to do the prep work correctly. It turned out to be a one-foot paint job...let me give myself a pat on the back!

The reason I asked the question, though, is because I greatly underestimated the length of time the project would take, and consequently, didn''t get my boat back in the water until late-June...and that''s what I would like to avoid by starting on the project over the winter on nice days.

And because the my "new" boat is a 38-footer, I know it will take even more time.

Michael

cgha33 10-04-2003 02:59 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Nope...you are incorrect.

I painted my soon-former sailboat, a 28-footer, in 2002. Did the two-part Awlgrip, and it really turned out very nice.

The boat yard owners would even bring around other boatowners and show them just how good a job an amateur can do IF you take the time to do the prep work correctly. It turned out to be a one-foot paint job...let me give myself a pat on the back!

The reason I asked the question, though, is because I greatly underestimated the length of time the project would take, and consequently, didn''t get my boat back in the water until late-June...and that''s what I would like to avoid by starting on the project over the winter on nice days.

And because the my "new" boat is a 38-footer, I know it will take even more time.

Michael

cgha33 10-04-2003 02:59 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Nope...you are incorrect.

I painted my soon-former sailboat, a 28-footer, in 2002. Did the two-part Awlgrip, and it really turned out very nice.

The boat yard owners would even bring around other boatowners and show them just how good a job an amateur can do IF you take the time to do the prep work correctly. It turned out to be a one-foot paint job...let me give myself a pat on the back!

The reason I asked the question, though, is because I greatly underestimated the length of time the project would take, and consequently, didn''t get my boat back in the water until late-June...and that''s what I would like to avoid by starting on the project over the winter on nice days.

And because the my "new" boat is a 38-footer, I know it will take even more time.

Michael

cgha33 10-04-2003 02:59 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Nope...you are incorrect.

I painted my soon-former sailboat, a 28-footer, in 2002. Did the two-part Awlgrip, and it really turned out very nice.

The boat yard owners would even bring around other boatowners and show them just how good a job an amateur can do IF you take the time to do the prep work correctly. It turned out to be a one-foot paint job...let me give myself a pat on the back!

The reason I asked the question, though, is because I greatly underestimated the length of time the project would take, and consequently, didn''t get my boat back in the water until late-June...and that''s what I would like to avoid by starting on the project over the winter on nice days.

And because the my "new" boat is a 38-footer, I know it will take even more time.

Michael

cgha33 10-04-2003 02:59 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Nope...you are incorrect.

I painted my soon-former sailboat, a 28-footer, in 2002. Did the two-part Awlgrip, and it really turned out very nice.

The boat yard owners would even bring around other boatowners and show them just how good a job an amateur can do IF you take the time to do the prep work correctly. It turned out to be a one-foot paint job...let me give myself a pat on the back!

The reason I asked the question, though, is because I greatly underestimated the length of time the project would take, and consequently, didn''t get my boat back in the water until late-June...and that''s what I would like to avoid by starting on the project over the winter on nice days.

And because the my "new" boat is a 38-footer, I know it will take even more time.

Michael

jparker11 10-04-2003 06:09 PM

Pre-Spring Stuff
 
Michael,

You did not indicate the extent of the deck work. Are you removing all chainplates, winches...anything with thru-deck attachments??

First the issue of sanded surfaces. Your prep will not extend past the gelcoat layer. The sanded surfaces will not be anymore susceptible to moisture migration than the unsanded surface. But, as you trudge about the deck in the winter months, will you be tracking dirts and oils and, worst of all, silicon about the deck. The sanded surfaces will be more permeable to these surface cantaminants. Prior to the Awlgrip, you need a solvent wash, anyways.

Fillers - Assuming you will be using epoxy with micro fibers/balloons? Epoxy curing below 60F is vitually non existant! You will have to babysit the curing a bit with heat to get an appreciable cure. If you use poly or vinyl ester resin systems in the filler you can adjust catalyst rates for cures at nearly any temps.

With all this effort, you might consider pulling all the deck hardware, over drilling holes and re-casting with epoxy to seal exposure of the wood core areas to moisture/rot.

I agree, you can get a one foot job with these two part LP systems, but surface prep is 90% of the job!! I used Interlux on the spars. People still think it is better than the best spray booth job!!

You might as well get started!!


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