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creedence,i did read your last post yesterday and decided to take some time to carefully word my response[not my usual style] that subject is particurlly sensitive to me because i have spent more than a few sleepless nights anchored near that very scenerio,its not always easy to haul anchor and move in the middle of the night especially when in unfamilar waters,so you just grit your teeth and wait for daylight,homicide is not a good solution,if your post was intended to be humerous i didn't [still don't] get it!
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Paul2000, do mean you are not familiar with a diesel water cooled gen made by Honda? Water cooled diesel gens are the standard and commonly available. Gas powered portables are the exception.
I am a complete newbie. I know very little about boats or sailing, but I believe I would like to give it a try. I am a very considerate person in a camp site, and would be so on the water. It is a resource we all share and I would definitely put out a little extra cash and effort to get a quiet generator. If the diesel water cooled generator is the norm on the water, then that is what I would get. I do have knowledge of the Honda 2000 gens on land, and compared to many others it is quiet, but it may not be quiet compared to the diesel gens on the water. Looks like I have a lot more to learn about sailing than working the canvas.
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I am a complete newbie. I know very little about boats or sailing, but I believe I would like to give it a try. I am a very considerate person in a camp site, and would be so on the water. It is a resource we all share and I would definitely put out a little extra cash and effort to get a quiet generator. If the diesel water cooled generator is the norm on the water, then that is what I would get. I do have knowledge of the Honda 2000 gens on land, and compared to many others it is quiet, but it may not be quiet compared to the diesel gens on the water. Looks like I have a lot more to learn about sailing than working the canvas.
Welcome aboard, friend. We are all learning on the water, all the time.

Most boats that have gensets, have them installed, just like their main engine. They are often in a locker somewhere aboard and are therefore cooled by raw water being pumped in from below the waterline and then mixed with the exhaust and dumped back overboard. Since diesel is very popular for the main engine, it is preferred to use the same supply for the generator. Diesel, by the way, is generally preferred on a boat as the fumes are not very flamable, nor does the exhaust create as much carbon monoxide.

If your boat does not have room for a genset locker, these gas portables become an option.


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The primary advantage of an inboard, built-in genset is that it is acoustically baffled--if only by being enclosed--and is much less obnoxious than a portable generator on a swim platform or on deck. The other factor is that you would invariably have a diesel genset inboard and would not have to carry extra gas. It isn't the gas exhaust fumes that are flammable, after all, it is the liquid gas. The raw gasoline fumes are worse and pose an explosion hazard.
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I'm amazed to hear people still comparing portable Honda's the size of a bowling nag with any kind of diesel genset and ask again: Has anyone actually ever seen or heard of a diesel genset COMPARABLE to the portable Hondas? Not a 10kW Onan that needs a machine space of it's own, but a *portable* that can be stashed away and brough out when or as needed. Say, after the main engine has failed or the solar panels smashed by hail, and you just need *some* power for the short term.

This is like arguing that a spare tire has no place on a car (as BMW, Corvette, and others insist) because they now use run-flat tires. Sure, veyr good, you can go 50 miles and then hope you are at a dealship that actually has your tires available. Otherwise, you're down for 48 hours or longer. As opposed to 15 minutes to put on a real spare.
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I'm not aware of a comparable diesel genset, most diesels are far superior. Mine is as fully redundant as any portable.

Nevertheless, my reply was strictly reacting to the suggestion that a diesel water cooled genset didn't even exist.


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"most diesels are far superior."
Remind me of that, next time you need to casually grab your genset, carry it to the dink, and bring it a mile away for some reason.
The Honda's are designed for easy portability, i don't see any diesel genset competing with them in that area.
Diesel, like an army 4x6, is absolutely great for some jobs. Totally unsuitable at others. Of course if you need the 4x6, the Honda ain't gonna do it.
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creedence,i did read your last post yesterday and decided to take some time to carefully word my response[not my usual style] that subject is particurlly sensitive to me because i have spent more than a few sleepless nights anchored near that very scenerio,its not always easy to haul anchor and move in the middle of the night especially when in unfamilar waters,so you just grit your teeth and wait for daylight,homicide is not a good solution,if your post was intended to be humerous i didn't [still don't] get it!


I can respect that. Like I said we are on the same side of the argument. Now, not getting my humor????



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I still don't get Creed's humor. Advocating a portable genset that would be used in an anchorage after hours? Advertising where to buy one? That's what this string is about, the "me generation" not considering that their noise is in other people's space.

To hellosailor, if you need a "spare", sign up for SeaTow or TowBoatUS. They cover situations your genset won't.

If you need to charge your batteries, use your auxiliary. It is probably faster and more fuel efficient and you can get the added advantage of hot water. If you want to minimize your charging time, get one or another of the gel technology batteries and a smart regulator--could be cheaper than a Honda generator. You could run your wife's hair dryer off an inverter.
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