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Catalina 30 standing rigging

Doing the research on replacing my standing rigging. The boat currently has the old closed turnbuckle fittings and seriously needs upgrading. I have found a kit on CatalinaDirect that is around $800 for everything. However, I would like to do this myself and while I'm at it increase the headstay, backstay and upper shrouds to 9/32 (from 1/4) and increase the size of the forward and aft stays to 1/4 (from 1/8) so I put together a kit of my own. The price difference is staggering. 3x the price to do it myself. Here is what I put together;

hay12CTE932 Hayn Hi-MOD Eye - 9/32 In. Wire - 1/2 In Pin $51.52 8ea $412.16
hay12CTS932 Hayn Hi-MOD Stud 9/32 In. Wire - 1/2 In. UNF Thread $48.27 4ea $193.08
HAY12TFBSS932 Hayn Jaw to Swage Turnbuckle 9/32 wire x 1/2 pin $69.66 4ea $278.64
hay12CTE14 Hayn Hi-MOD Eye - 1/4 In. Wire - 1/2 In Pin $48.85 4ea $195.40
hay12CTS14 Hayn Hi-MOD Stud 1/4 In. Wire - 1/2 In. UNF Thread $40.86 4ea $163.44
HAY12TFBSS14 Hayn Jaw to Swage Turnbuckle 1/4 wire x 1/2 pin $66.00 4ea $264.00
SCH8447 Schaefer Triangle Plate, 1/2 In. Pin $73.28 1ea $73.28
rig9321X19 Loos Type 316 1x19 Rigging Wire - 9/32 In. $2.60 212ea $551.20
rig141X19 Loos Type 316 1x19 Rigging Wire - 1/4 In. $2.21 104ea $229.84
Total: $2361.04


Is this equipment that much better than the CD kit? Why does it cost so much more and is it worth the extra cost?

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Re: Catalina 30 standing rigging

I don't see that you're comparing like to like and you've increased the size of everything so the cost would naturally be more from that standpoint. Are you pricing your kit from a source other than CD?

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Re: Catalina 30 standing rigging

I did the Cal 29 with topshelf stuff for 1100 dollars in material and i sure cant see were 3X the price would have changed anything as it is perfect

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I'm also thinking that CD buys in bulk so the cost to them is less to begin with, where alan would not be.

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Re: Catalina 30 standing rigging

I'm not a standing rigging pro. Are you upsizing for a good technical reason or does it just feel better? Generally speaking, one doesn't want more weight aloft than necessary. The kit sounds like a pretty good deal to me. If it wears a tad sooner, you can certain afford to buy it again forthe difference in cost. However, I expect it's longevity is just fine.


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Re: Catalina 30 standing rigging

A 1/4 inch circle has an area of 0.049 square inches

A 5/16 inch circle has an area of 0.076 square inches.

The increase in size and, therefore weight, will be 56% !! That's pretty significant.

Engineers can check my math.


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Re: Catalina 30 standing rigging

Just finished replacing my standing rigging (1980 cat 30). I simply ordered rigging slightly larger than needed with swaged (sp?) eyes on the top and used Norseman fittings on the bottom... I also replaced the old closed turnbuckles and upgraded the lower shroud chainplates and replaced the upper shroud chainplates. I considered going with beefier rigging but in the end just couldn't come up with a real reason to do so.

Btw... I replaced the lower shrouds and chainplates while the boat was in it's slip.... The upper pins on all of it was pretty much welded in place and required a grinder (cut off wheel) to remove.

Because of a failed shaft seal, I ended up hauling the boat and went ahead and stepped the mast at the same time - so all the upper stuff was done on the ground . Ended up keeping the boat out for 7 days to finish the rigging, rewire the mast, repaint the mast, replace and install antenna's, lighting, misc hardware, replace shaft seal with a new PSS, replace prop, complete bottom job, compound wax and buff sides.... And a few other things...


A very tough week... The only thing not DIY was the bottom job... Just didn't have the time and energy left....

I don't recall exactly what I paid for the rigging materials as I bought it a couple pieces at a time over a few months.... I do recall Catalina direct was slightly higher than some other online rigging outfits...

Curious... Why do you think you need beefier rigging? And do you have the upgraded lower shroud chainplates?
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DRFerron: I assembled the kit off of Hayn website.

Minniewaska: It is recommended on the C-30 to go 1 size larger on the upper shrouds, forestay and backstay. The original size wires stretch to much. In addition, I overbuild everything...to a point. I am aware of the increased weight aloft but the stronger hardware (1/2" pins) give me piece of mind. I tend to take my boats places where they should not be so I like to be able to trust my parts.

Wise4: I have new chainplates, upgraded shroud chainplates, new tangs and am in the process of replacing my bulkheads with 5/8" marine grade stuff.

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......Minniewaska: It is recommended on the C-30 to go 1 size larger on the upper shrouds, forestay and backstay. The original size wires stretch to much. In addition, I overbuild everything...to a point. I am aware of the increased weight aloft but the stronger hardware (1/2" pins) give me piece of mind. I tend to take my boats places where they should not be so I like to be able to trust my parts......
Okay. I'm unfamiliar with the recommendation. Stretch sounds to me like a performance issue, more than durability. Your comment about going places and pice of mind sounds more like you want durability. I could be wrong.


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Re: Catalina 30 standing rigging

5, C-30s owners in my YC, none have ever mentioned stretching as a prob. Seriously. There is overkill and there is over the top. Save the $ and get the package from CD. You will still have a bolt on keel, spade rudder, big thin plastic windows, which limit your offshore capabilities.
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