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Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

Every year I have to replace some turnbuckles simply due to use. Last season when I was de-masting my 1979 Catalina 22 I could see that the angle the forward and aft 1/4" turnbuckles had bent the T-bolt attached to the deck chain-plate. I'm always careful not to bend them when raising and lowering. Does anyone know if turnbuckle /shroud covers keep them from bending, or other remedy... and where I can spend less than $38 for turnbuckles that will work for the 1979 Catalina 22 Jaw to Jaw Turnbuckle? I'd love to install quick-release ones, but not if those $80 ones are going to bend.
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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

A picture would help, but my first reaction is that you are missing toggles so you have a bending force on the turnbuckles. The toggles would allow movement and avoid the bending.
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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

I'm not sure from your description what is happening, but when I had a C22, I bent a turnbuckle once while raising the mast. If the turnbuckle was lying sideways on the deck, it wouldn't align itself as the mast came up and the stay became taut, and it bent the turnbuckle. To align the turnbuckle before I raised the mast, I tied the mast stay to the lifeline with a thin rubber band. When the stay became taut, it broke the rubber band. I suppose you could alternatively use a light sewing thread to tie it.
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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

You just need make sure that the toggles on the t-bolts don't get caught when you are raising the mast. That can be as simple as having an extra hand to mind them as the mast is going up. Or taping them so that they stay straight and upright.
I usually don't like taping standing rigging, but on a tabernacled mast, sometimes it makes sense.

What's happening is that because the rigging is slack, the t-bolt is falling to the bottom of the toggle and if it gets cocked a little, it gets caught on the chainplate. When the mast gets vertical, it bends the t-bolt.

It's just a matter of keeping everything inline as the mast is raised.

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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

Thanks for the advise everyone. What's interesting is that once the mast goes up, I'm able to freely loosen and tighten the turnbuckles -- which would seem to indicate that I did a good job keeping them from getting bent on the way up. But at the end of the season, some are bend. This year it was primarily the two upper shroud turnbuckles that broke when I tried to loosen them to take the mast down -- which would seem to indicate that they got bent as the tuning was done, or after within the season of sailing sometime. I guess you feel that shroud covers would have no effect one way or another, since no one addressed that part of my question. Thanks again. I really appreciate it. I don't use this forum much because I don't know how anyone easily finds their way back to a question or comment they've made. It took me 5 mins to find my Q again. After logging in, Sailnet can tell me when I last visited, but I wish it would allow me to view my posts.
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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

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I guess you feel that shroud covers would have no effect one way or another, since no one addressed that part of my question.
Sorry. That was an oversight. As knothead said, what is important is keeping everything inline as the mast is raised. Shroud covers would help, but I have seen them slide up past the turnbuckles, so that they no longer will keep the turnbuckle in line. I think the solution is to check each stay carefully before you start to raise the mast each time, and make sure each stay is aligned, and that it will remain aligned as you raise the mast. You might be able to keep them aligned by tying them to the lifelines, or you might be able to do it with shroud covers. I think either could work, if you exercise care.
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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

It's the toggle and clevis pin where it attaches to the chainplate that's the bugger. Turnbuckle covers likely won't even alleviate the possibility that the toggle could roll off the top of the chainplate. You need to come up with a way to keep that toggle and t-bolt upright.

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Flyingscot, after you log in, you can go to your user CP, (control panel) and view your subscribed threads. Any threads that you've started or posted to will be there.
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Re: Bent Catalina 22 Turnbuckle Remedy Anyone?

Thanks for the advice Sailormon and Knothead. Knothead, I see how I can use CP to find my threads. The only way I see to do this is as follows:

CLICK: Control Panel (CP) then scroll down to: IN BOLD: "There are no subscribed threads to display in this folder for this time period." then in tiny print under that: "View all subscribed threads" I CLICK that to view the threads I've created.

It seems rather obscure but I'm thankful there's a quick way to find threads and possible posts on other threads when I make them. However, I'm a Facebook user and prefer the FB ap and I don't see any way of quickly viewing my threads and posts on FB. So I put a suggestion in the box. This "Post Reply" option also seems weird to me as it reverses the order of replies. It doesn't seem like least recent to most recent should become reversed and possibly reversed again as additional posts are made. "Quick Reply" seems to be more orderly. Thanks again. I'm going to secure those Turnbuckles in place before mast raising.
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Now today, I can easily view this (my) thread on Facebook under the heading "Subscribed Threads." I'm not sure how that works because there are other threads there that I didn't create or comment on. If it's all "subscribed" users, then there should be more threads than what I'm seeing. I'm too busy to delve deeper.
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Correction: "Subscribed Threads" seem to be threads I've created or commented on. Now to find out how to search the "Suggestion Box" for the comment I left last night. I've been through 11 pages today and still cannot find my comment. So I do not yet know how I would ever see any replies to my comment if any were left. All this may seem easy to everyone else, but in the FB format, I'm wouldn't have thought to click on the "Explore" tab to find my "Forum" threads under something called "Subscribed Threads."

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