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mcsailor0303 03-14-2012 04:25 PM

Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
Hi all, I have been reading these forums for a while, this is my first post. I have been sailing/racing for 15+ years, and have completed 3 sailboat projects ranging from repainting a Laser to Rebuilding a Catalina 22. I like to rescue cool boats.

I am looking into a ’77 Ranger 28 on a trailer that has a make-shift rudder (plywood and rudder post), and a keel that looks like it broke and is bolted through (very rough repair work). Sounds like the boat was washed up on a sandbar up in San Juans and jury rigged to make it back to where the boat currently lies in The Dalles, Oregon. The boat has been sitting at a crummy looking car dealership for over a year now, and I would hate to see it get scrapped. They are asking $2000 for the trailer, and have the boat ‘listed’ at $9000…one of the sales people said to make an offer for $4500 for the whole kit. I wouldn’t pay anything over $2000.

Crispy Dacron 4 sail quiver (Main, 110, 130, 160) w/ .75 spin+gear – decent looking standing/running rigging – Solid deck, no soft spots, chain plates solid – interior is OK needs new floor installed, and new cushions – Atomic 4 recent tune-up runs.

Does anyone have any experience rebuilding/remounting keel and rudder on a Ranger 28 (or any other boat similar size)? What would be the max price to offer in your opinion???

Photos to come.

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Faster 03-14-2012 04:34 PM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
We've rebedded a keel on a R 28 some years ago.. it's not rocket science and with a trailer that should make things easier (depending on the ability to create some clearance under the keel to drop it. I'd look very carefully at the f/g keel stub given the boat's history, they are not as heavily built as one might expect.

As to the rudder you may be able to find specs for a proper one, there are aftermarket companies that do that kind of work, but it is possible to build one yourself if you have the skills and mindset to do it. Even if you can't find proper specs, taking a look at another model and using that as a guide is possible. There were two rudders, an early unbalanced version and a later (much better) balanced one.. be sure to 'copy' the latter.

Otherwise they are a pretty nice boat, a bit twitchy downwind in a breeze, but if you're careful you can manage that. If the inventory is as good as you say, and the rest of the boat is salvageable, I guess it's worth whatever you're willing to put down.. sounds like something the dealer would like to get rid of....

SloopJonB 03-14-2012 04:54 PM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
The rudder is a fairly big job but pretty basic work - you even have the opportunity to make a more modern shape. I'd go to the Maestro (Perry) and have him design one rather than just trying to recreate the original - rudders have changed as much or more than anything else about sailboats over the past 35 years.

As far as the keel goes; :worthless:

deniseO30 03-14-2012 05:45 PM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
they are in dealer lala land.. it's listed at 9000 too much.. scrap it!

Here's an example of a recent sale in TX
http://www.sailingtexas.com/sranger28100.html

mcsailor0303 03-15-2012 01:02 AM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
Okay, so the photos are kind of hard to see, but you can get the picture...

Let's start with the rudder:
<a href="http://s1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/?action=view&amp;current=march017.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/march017.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Prop (down to one blade) & Drive shaft (notice something hanging):
<a href="http://s1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/?action=view&amp;current=march021.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/march021.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Keel 'Fix' Up-close:
<a href="http://s1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/?action=view&amp;current=march020.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/march020.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Keel from afar:
<a href="http://s1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/?action=view&amp;current=march015.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/march015.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Keel from the front:
<a href="http://s1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/?action=view&amp;current=march019.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s387/mcsailor0303/march019.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Turns out the last owner didn't run aground a sandbar, he got mixed up in a bunch of dead heads that used to be a logging facility.

Let me know what you think.

mitiempo 03-15-2012 01:17 AM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
There are many boats that need a lot less work with asking prices as low or lower.

Run.:eek:

ps Trailer looks ok though.<g>

Faster 03-15-2012 01:57 AM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
The 'keel strap' has been there a while.. the rudder, hard to say. The snapped strut is indicative of some pretty nasty action. The netting jammed around the shaft too. Motor mounts could be suspect, and that's just from looking at pics... If you can get it free maybe part it out. No way it's worth $9K - the trailer may have value but the boat is a non starter.

This is the quintessential project boat.. Look at what SNer Itgoshen got recently for next to nothing... hardly bears comparison.

deniseO30 03-15-2012 11:08 AM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
Nice trailer! Scrap the boat.

hellosailor 03-15-2012 06:03 PM

Re: Rebuilding/Remountinig Keel & Rudder
 
I was going to say it is worth the price of 4 ails and an A4...but seeing that the prop strut has been broken off, you can expect damage to the crankshaft and bearings in the engine as well, or at least a bent shaft and transmission damage if those sheared and took the impact.

Tell the dealer you'll pay whatever a used trailer is worth AND you won't charge im to unload the big mess on top of it. Then you get it home, see if the engine is toast or not, and whether you're going to have to pay to have it hauled away, or spend some time building a boat.

Replacing a rudder and replacing it with something that matches the original BALANCE and performance of the boat, is not a trivial thing. If you've got spare time, a spare parking place for the boat, and want a project, it's worth the price of the trailer. Anything else and you'd get better odds in Vegas.

Salesman says nine thousand dollars again, just slap some duct tape over his mouth.


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