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Re: Side paint

Now I'm more confused. Isn't what we call paint on a house for example called gel on boats? Or is there gel and then paint on top? If that's the case i'll just be redoing the paint. Someone set me straight!
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Now I'm more confused. Isn't what we call paint on a house for example called gel on boats? Or is there gel and then paint on top? If that's the case i'll just be redoing the paint. Someone set me straight!
The gelcoat is the hard plastic-like outer layer of the white hull. Some do color the gelcoat, which wears well. But once it fades, there is no way to fix it.

You are talking about painting over the gelcoat.
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Re: Side paint

On a boat gel (gelcoat) is the first coat sprayed into a mould when building a boat. If cared for it will last several decades. To put gelcoat on to refinish a boat is not easy as it doesn't flow like paint - it is polyester resin with pigment - and a great deal of fairing is required.

Paint is the solution for gelcoat that is too far gone. Preparation is about 90% of the effort required. The downside is that paint is not as durable as gelcoat and once you paint you will have to repaint in 5 to 10 years depending on the type of paint used.

If you can compound the gelcoat and get a reasonable finish you will save yourself a great deal of work, money, and future maintenance.
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Re: Side paint

Thanks Brian. I understand now. I didn't know that paint and gel were two separate things. I thought it was all gel, just some people called it differently.

I would love to do the compound approach, but I found some scratches in the hull that seem deep (not to the fiber but not just surface scratches), which is why I was thinking I would have to regel. I don't know if there is a way to "repair" those scratches and then compound/wax/polish. That would certainly carry the least expense and effort. That would be option 1.

If there is a way to fill and smooth those, but it would be obvious, then I wouldn't mind painting, as we know we won't own this boat in 5 years. That would be option 2.

A whole regel would be option 3, but I guess we can kill that option if there is a way to do either of the above.
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Re: Side paint

You can get a gelcoat repair kit for small repairs like scratches. It can be tough to match the color perfectly but if there are not a lot of bad areas that could be a good option.
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Re: Side paint

If you had to get that close to find the scratches, I wouldn't sweat it too much. You will scratch a new paint job in our first few sails. It's a law of physics.

If really noticeable from a distance, I would fix them as well.

If you paint, think about white paint. It will hide scratches much better. If you are selling in 5 years, white is ubiquitous. Any other color you pick will only appeal to a smaller segment of buyers.
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Re: Side paint

I have read up on a few sites about gel repair since my last post, these would apparently be "gouges". Again, not down to the glass, but pretty noticeable. I hadn't noticed them before because I've never really had a good look at the port side of the bow before. If I had to guess based on the shape and position I would say from some damned fool and a loose anchor.

Well, time to start budgeting :-\

I bought this boat at a good price knowing I would have to spend some money on it, so here we go! :-P
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Re: Side paint

Okay, it's friggin' killing me. Gelcoat. Not gel. Say it with me... gelcoat.
If you go into a chandlery (marine store) and ask for "gel" you might get toothpaste, or a wiggly jiggly dessert.

And/or an unethical sales clerk might just charge you the newbie tax, and sell you all sorts of stuff you don't need.
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Re: Side paint

I've used the term "gel" in several places without issue, and the surveyor used it as well.

It's called context.

Besides, I don't think West Marine carries toothpaste. Although I may be wrong on that one.
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Re: Side paint

Breakaway,

I had great luck last week reviving a some sad-looking topsides using a 3m product called Imperial Compound (black bottle, purple label). It is a 2 in one product, a cutting compound and finesse-it glaze together. It took me three hours to do my 32 foot boat, and people all over our club are commenting how great it looks.

It's very easy to use, relatively inexpensive, and the results are quite stunning. My boat was not quite to the chalky stage (though it is on the decks and doghouse), but had almost no reflection left on the gelcoat. I did do a couple of spots to test this same compound on the chalky decks, and it takes two passes, but brings that back pretty good too.
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