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in the early fall i picked up my new (to me) 17 foot Newport. it was disgusting when i bought it and i sometimes question why i even took on this project. i found it on craigslist and picked this one out of the hundreds of other boats that have been sitting in the woods for years. Anyway, i paid a few hundred for her, on a good trailer. once a good powerwash was applied it was starting to look more like herself. the sails, mast, and electronics are all in great condition. the man i bought her from says he used it two years ago on a river, i am begining to doubt this because the iron centerboard was extremely rusted and it took me and my dad hours to pry it out of the bottom once we got it on stands. (i now know to make sure the centerboard works before buying anything). this thing has been the biggest headache for me. i have sat in the garage with a 5$ wire brush drill attachment and did went to town on it for a few hours and that did not help whatsoever. the rust is flaking off in small sheets but it seems overall solid. i have tried having it sandblasted and coated but that is too expensive. I am now looking for a marine grade BONDO type product to fill in the ugly spots. i cannot do any more work on any part of the boat until i get this centerboard back in so i can throw it back on the trailer and bring it up to my house to work on it. i have an extremely low budget (keep in mind that i am 18 and work at a food store after school). Dont let that fool you though, this isent my first rodeo, i have owned two oday daysailer's previous to this but neither required such work. does anyone have any suggestions as to what i can use to make up the lost width the rust has provided? i have done my reaseach and i am aware automotive bondo will swell and expand if submerged. thanks -Paul
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Paul I would suggest you read all the information on West System's site Epoxy by the Leading Epoxy Manufacturer | WEST SYSTEM Epoxyeven if you use another epoxy mfg. west "wrote the book" pretty much.
Marine filler is easily made with epoxy resin, hardener, and different types of fillers. Bondo and polyester resins won't stick to iron very well at all. You really should grind or blast the iron to shiny metal, wash it with solvents and epoxy coat it. It's doubtful the rust took away much in size. If your going to keep the boat in the water more then a few days or week you will need bottom paint also. The inside of the C/B tunk needs special care, (paint epoxy, guides, cable, pin and bearing attachments) well before you put the c/b back in.
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I've used a product called Dura Glas, don't remember how much a gallon cost ($50?), but it would stick to the CB if you got it clean and fill the holes. I'm sure there are other epoxy based fillers out there too. Try searching Defender for ideas. Good luck on the project!
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I just finished doing a keel. Research it and see what you think is best. Google (iron keel restoration) and a bunch of hits come up showing tutorials, stories,blogs, and whatnot. The scary thing is where they say you have to get it down to shiny iron and coat it "immediately".
To me, immediately means within a couple of minutes. In reality, you have a bit of time ( depending on air humidity) of a day or so....meaning, get up really early in the morning, grind it down, and get it coated. Don't do it on a wet day, and get it done before sundown. Don't worry about the word immediate because that is just to discourage the idea of grinding in down on Saturday, then waiting until the next Saturday to coat it.
I can't recommend a particular coating, because there are several great ones out there, but just try to get the job done in a single day.
It's a dirty nasty job.
Go get a good tyvek jumpsuit and a good respirator, get a few wire brushes for an angle grinder, and go to it.
You could do a better job with a needle gun, but they can be hard to find at tool rental places, and a wire brush can do 95% of the job a needle gun can do. You just risk hidden rust reacting with hidden water and flaking some of the paint. Not a big deal on a trailerable boat.

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Actually beating the sh*t out of it with a pointed chipping hammer will do a better job if the rust is coming off in sheets.

A needle gun is MUCH better than either a wire brush or a grinder.

If you are not going to get it sandblasted and epoxied [and yes it does matter that it is painted within minutes of the blasting] then use a rust converter [ Fertan is one ] a zinc rich epoxy primer then some epoxy and bottom paint. But it will soon show signs of rust again, who cares just repeat the above on a spot basis. But any under water metal primer and paint system will do almost as well.

I am not sure I would bother with the fairing job if you are not blasting it but if you want then West system epoxy with 407 filler will do just fine.

Either do a proper job or accept the annual touch up.

But hey it ain't gonna break even if it ain't pretty.

7 years of steel boat ownership showed me that.

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Find an industrial supplier for your epoxy - West is only more promoted, not better and it's a LOT more expensive than no-name epoxy, which has always worked just as well for me (at 1/4 to 1/3 the price).

My last 5 liter kit cost me $89 - the equivalent West was well over $300. Another thing I don't care for with West resin - even their slow catalyst is pretty fast - minutes, not hours to kick.

As to the prep required, TQA is right - "Either do a proper job or accept the annual touch up".

If you don't sandblast and epoxy coat it, , it WILL come back, no if's, and's or but's.
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what is "coal tar epoxy"? SJB? I hear it allot but not sure if it's just black epoxy or something else.
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in the early fall i picked up my new (to me) 17 foot Newport. it was disgusting when i bought it and i sometimes question why i even took on this project. i found it on craigslist and picked this one out of the hundreds of other boats that have been sitting in the woods for years. Anyway, i paid a few hundred for her, on a good trailer. once a good powerwash was applied it was starting to look more like herself. the sails, mast, and electronics are all in great condition. the man i bought her from says he used it two years ago on a river, i am begining to doubt this because the iron centerboard was extremely rusted and it took me and my dad hours to pry it out of the bottom once we got it on stands. (i now know to make sure the centerboard works before buying anything). this thing has been the biggest headache for me. i have sat in the garage with a 5$ wire brush drill attachment and did went to town on it for a few hours and that did not help whatsoever. the rust is flaking off in small sheets but it seems overall solid. i have tried having it sandblasted and coated but that is too expensive. I am now looking for a marine grade BONDO type product to fill in the ugly spots. i cannot do any more work on any part of the boat until i get this centerboard back in so i can throw it back on the trailer and bring it up to my house to work on it. i have an extremely low budget (keep in mind that i am 18 and work at a food store after school). Dont let that fool you though, this isent my first rodeo, i have owned two oday daysailer's previous to this but neither required such work. does anyone have any suggestions as to what i can use to make up the lost width the rust has provided? i have done my reaseach and i am aware automotive bondo will swell and expand if submerged. thanks -Paul
I have two suggestions :

1) Go to the Jamestown Distributors website and order a catalogue. They have the best range of epoxies, paints, you name it.

2) Use paragraphs more
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what is "coal tar epoxy"? SJB? I hear it allot but not sure if it's just black epoxy or something else.
Dunno. Coal tar is an age old goop, somewhat like that roofing patching goo. Where epoxy comes in is beyond my ken.
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